Socialism just doesn't work, ever

Quote from Fractals 'R Us:

Blame the embargos for Cuba's abject poverty if you want. Essentially they can trade with lots of countries including Canada. It's not the embargos. Blame the uneducated psychopathic leadership of Russia for their decline into abject poverty... whatever......

Venezuela is Oil rich and they can't keep the electrical grid primed up

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081023/wl_nm/us_venezuela_electricity
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they have just not practiced it correctly ....... DUH
 
Quote from andrasnm:

Boy [sigh] these cons are one dumb mother fucker bunch. I would not vote for GOP unless I had 5 mills in net worth and even then I would not out of principle...
These assholes like Joe the plumber are brainwashed into thinking that if they vote GOP they somehow miraculously will get rich. Ha ha.....talking about a pipe dream....

A note to emphasize: the US of A has not had true capitalism either from probably the time Kennedy was shot.....what we have is an ugly thing called "fuckism"....where "business opportunity" is day trading (sorry , Multi Level Marketing and obnoxious sales type stuff that normal people cannot do.....if you get into a real business it is very very large overhead, no health care and the "big ones" will put you out of business as soon as you show any promise. I worked for some startups in software.....

Also, this predatory lending is nothing new, the banks, loan co's do it on purpose, in a rising market, they take your fees, closing costs etc and after a while when you cannot pay your dues they throw you out, in the meanwhile the house is appreciating and they just recycle it. Do not buy for a moment that banks want you to help keeping your house, they don't give a fuck about people, only profits, the problem this time around is that the RE market crashed like Japan's.
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i'd rather starve due to my own inaction, thank you very much
 
Quote from andrasnm:

Boy [sigh] these cons are one dumb mother fucker bunch. I would not vote for GOP unless I had 5 mills in net worth and even then I would not out of principle...
These assholes like Joe the plumber are brainwashed into thinking that if they vote GOP they somehow miraculously will get rich. Ha ha.....talking about a pipe dream....

A note to emphasize: the US of A has not had true capitalism either from probably the time Kennedy was shot.....what we have is an ugly thing called "fuckism"....where "business opportunity" is day trading (sorry , Multi Level Marketing and obnoxious sales type stuff that normal people cannot do.....if you get into a real business it is very very large overhead, no health care and the "big ones" will put you out of business as soon as you show any promise. I worked for some startups in software.....

Also, this predatory lending is nothing new, the banks, loan co's do it on purpose, in a rising market, they take your fees, closing costs etc and after a while when you cannot pay your dues they throw you out, in the meanwhile the house is appreciating and they just recycle it. Do not buy for a moment that banks want you to help keeping your house, they don't give a fuck about people, only profits, the problem this time around is that the RE market crashed like Japan's.
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Reagan famously said Latinos are Republicans, they just don't know it yet

Joe the plumber is "Black", he just doesn't know it yet. you heard it here first
 
Quote from oktiri:

Reagan famously said Latinos are Republicans, they just don't know it yet

Joe the plumber is "Black", he just doesn't know it yet. you heard it here first
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AGREED
 
Quote from trendlover:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/review/review_summer_02/677cuba.html

For healthcare Cuba has a system that is working.
They are leaders with some cancer treatment also.
Some people think because of all the problems in the country that everything is bad. Many people leave for opportunity to grow a business and to escape other kinds of poorness. But healthcare is very, very good.
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Cuba has more doctors per capita than many OECD countries...
Sure, they get told where to work etc - and all cows belong to the state ...
They also have free dental care and medical care all their life. I wouldn't like to be Cuban though... I was there in the mid 1990s, and friendlier/safer people I have never met anywhere I have travelled. It is also one of the few countries in the world where you can safely hitch a ride nowadays. Truckers are even obliged to pick up hitchers.

The following are improving - from admittedly very bad conditions before - most of them former US-backed dictatorships:
China are pretty socialist too - and they seem to be doing pretty good - economics wise. Brazil is also very socialist - also doing spectacular. Venezuela doing pretty good as well... Bolivia is on the path to major reforms - improving democratic rights as well.

Sure, they do some things that I think are not "optimal" - but I recognize that they are improving their situations, and the life of their populations.

The Nordic countries (now perhaps except Iceland) are all rich European countries - and social democracies like most of Europe. They were not huge battle grounds for Soviet or US influence - but were able to stay fairly neutral. Finland has consistently the best schooling system in the world.
 
Socialism by itself does not work. All socialist countries are subsidized by the US. If they had to put the equivalent amount of money into their own defense and contribute to security in the world they would all be bankrupt. America spreads democracy and bankrolls its defense. Euroweenie socialist countries suck the American tit and then put up roadblocks at places like the UN, WTO, etc. Show me one socialist country in Europe that wouldn't come running to the US for help if it was attacked!

Socialism...
 
Gord,
Ukraina, Germany, France and the UK can all pretty much hold their own.
Sure - Russia is a huge neighbour - but they are not a direct threat any longer.


I want to see how brainwashed you guys really are...
1. I guess you can easily list "enemies of the US"...
2. Who defined them as "enemies of the US"?
3. What enemies are there of Europe?
4. What enemies do China, Australia, Brazil, Argentina etc have?
5. Why are they defined as enemies - what makes the country an enemy?
6. What stops making them enemies?
7. Is it possible to redefine relationships with these countries?
8. What are you doing to improve relations with these countries?
:p


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2798679275960015727
 
Quote from Gringinho:

Gord,
Ukraina, Germany, France and the UK can all pretty much hold their own.
Sure - Russia is a huge neighbour - but they are not a direct threat any longer.
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I don't consider the UK socialist. As for the others, you must be joking...
 
Quote from Monkey Boy:

That's interesting. Can you explain why people want to flee Cuba; and why people from all over the world want to come to the USA?
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Because the US is chocking Cuba to an economical death. In spite of that, no one sleeps hungry. Also Higher education and medical care are free. Can you say that about the US???

It is easy to come up with stupid and empty clichés but facts are facts Monkey.

how long did it get the greatest aggressor on earth to fix New Orleans?
 
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