socialism in America.

[tomorton]

As I already demonstrated, in this very thread, no. We have dozens of prosperous socialist states in western Europe, not a one of which is in a pre-cursor of communism position, and pretty much none of the communist states slid a slippery slope of socialism to get there, they got there through violent revolution or from being occupied by an existing communist state. And violent revolutions, by the way, historically have happened in places where there was huge wealth discrepancy and wealth concentration...that actually is true. It's decidedly NOT wretched to live in Finland or Norway, or Iceland, or France at the moment, while it's not fun to live in Looneyville, WV (real place) and pretty damn wretched to be living in the slums of capitalist Brazil. I've pointed this all out to you before, and your only answer is point out a definition of socialism that only you seem to hold which the rest of us call communism. So again, are you just trying to be argumentative, or do you truly believe that Norway has little hope of not morphing into a communist regime and can you please point out literally anywhere in socialist Norway that is as wretched as much of capitalist Rio?

Europe is not socialist and all the states in this continent and Scandinavia became rich enough to adopt some semi-socialist policies through capitalism.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Disagree.

Read carefully, Atlas Shrugged was partially a love story about the most valuable, attractive, focused lady engineer businesswoman in the world suited by the three most eligible bachelors in the world. I would marry a Dagny in a heartbeat. An absolutely amazing heroine, with the best of qualities.

You completely misrepresent Francisco's actions. He did not harm the little guy, but bankrupted the crony elites that were using the government to steal money for them and destroy people's freedom. (And I am as much of a fan of GoldmanSachs as Bolsheviks).

http://capitalismmagazine.com/2002/08/franciscos-money-speech/

Ayn was no sociopath, but a writer that inspired men-of-mind and proud producers to excel in freedom and sociopaths to attack her concepts that threaten to debase every negative screed and thought they espouse.

Even though Ayn was an atheist because of her Bolshevik / Church People run-ins, (and I find it hard to spend one second disagreeing with her "Mystics of Spirit" points) the anti-Rand vitriol from net tyrants reminds me of atheistic vitriol against people of faith.

If atheists are sure there is no God as they know there is no Easter Bunny, logically why do they not simply chuckle and go on doing something fun in their own lives rather than spend their efforts in endless persecution? I would find it a complete waste of my life to try to get advertisers to never display a cute little yellow bunny in their advertisements.

It's like a friend told me.

When someone that believes in freedom and liberty, but doesn't like guns ... he simply does not acquire one. But when a tyrant that wants to take your money, property, freedom, liberty, etc doesn't like guns, he vilifies anyone to extinction who opposes him. Upon gaining enough political power, his deep hatred can be actualized into genocide ... after he takes their guns. (AKA Stalin's Gulag Archipelago-further powerful reading)

Ayn also correctly identified these evil ones at the other end of her spectral lexicon as "Mystics of Muscle". Her description is apt.

Everyone should be free to have and express their opinion and everyone should have the right to peacefully assaemble OR peacefully depart from those opinions. There's a lot of assembly space here between coasts.

Clearly the Second Amendment is under attack right now precisely by those that would take our freedoms away to suit their desire to force their will on those that disagree with.

When a politician doesn't want your guns, you probably don't need a gun.

When a politician says you don't need a gun, ... you NEED a gun.

Disagree.

Read carefully, Atlas Shrugged was partially a love story about the most valuable, attractive, focused lady engineer businesswoman in the world suited by the three most eligible bachelors in the world. I would marry a Dagny in a heartbeat. An absolutely amazing heroine, with the best of qualities.

You completely misrepresent Francisco's actions. He did not harm the little guy, but bankrupted the crony elites that were using the government to steal money for them and destroy people's freedom. (And I am as much of a fan of GoldmanSachs as Bolsheviks).

http://capitalismmagazine.com/2002/08/franciscos-money-speech/

Ayn was no sociopath, but a writer that inspired men-of-mind and proud producers to excel in freedom and sociopaths to attack her concepts that threaten to debase every negative screed and thought they espouse.

Even though Ayn was an atheist because of her Bolshevik / Church People run-ins, (and I find it hard to spend one second disagreeing with her "Mystics of Spirit" points) the anti-Rand vitriol from net tyrants reminds me of atheistic vitriol against people of faith.

If atheists are sure there is no God as they know there is no Easter Bunny, logically why do they not simply chuckle and go on doing something fun in their own lives rather than spend their efforts in endless persecution? I would find it a complete waste of my life to try to get advertisers to never display a cute little yellow bunny in their advertisements.

It's like a friend told me.

When someone that believes in freedom and liberty, but doesn't like guns ... he simply does not acquire one. But when a tyrant that wants to take your money, property, freedom, liberty, etc doesn't like guns, he vilifies anyone to extinction who opposes him. Upon gaining enough political power, his deep hatred can be actualized into genocide ... after he takes their guns. (AKA Stalin's Gulag Archipelago-further powerful reading)

Ayn also correctly identified these evil ones at the other end of her spectral lexicon as "Mystics of Muscle". Her description is apt.

Everyone should be free to have and express their opinion and everyone should have the right to peacefully assaemble OR peacefully depart from those opinions. There's a lot of assembly space here between coasts.

Clearly the Second Amendment is under attack right now precisely by those that would take our freedoms away to suit their desire to force their will on those that disagree with.

When a politician doesn't want your guns, you probably don't need a gun.

When a politician says you don't need a gun, ... you NEED a gun.

Are you a teenager or early 20s?

I'll put Atlas Shrugged another way. It is a handy primer for people who are bad in heart and deed but for some reason, don't want to feel bad or at least be judged. Then add a lot of random stuff Rand came up with that she never thought out.

A comforting fiction for spoiled people.

The only attack on the 2nd is on the distortion the NRA tried to field as truth about it, the meaning of the comma and other lobbyist lunacy. If one followed it to the logical conclusion, any grenades or other explosives or other lethal weapons in the military's arsenal should be possessed by civilians also, with almost no training or mental competence assessment.

So I'll take my view and you try being good instead of a grey nothing of excuses.

 

[Sig]

Europe is not socialist and all the states in this continent and Scandinavia became rich enough to adopt some semi-socialist policies through capitalism.

Congratulations! You've discovered the definition of socialism that the rest of the world uses, a capitalist system which socializes costs for things like medical care, care for the elderly and sick, and social safely nets. Not the same thing as Communism, not mutually exclusive with capitalism, which appears to be your definition. We came up with two different words for a reason, they have different meanings.

 

[Sig]

Are you a teenager or early 20s?

I'll put Atlas Shrugged another way. It is a handy primer for people who are bad in heart and deed but for some reason, don't want to feel bad or at least be judged. Then add a lot of random stuff Rand came up with that she never thought out.

A comforting fiction for spoiled people.

The only attack on the 2nd is on the distortion the NRA tried to field as truth about it, the meaning of the comma and other lobbyist lunacy. If one followed it to the logical conclusion, any grenades or other explosives or other lethal weapons in the military's arsenal should be possessed by civilians also, with almost no training or mental competence assessment.

So I'll take my view and you try being good instead of a grey nothing of excuses.

I went through an Atlas Shrugged phase when I was 15 too. Happens to the best of us.

 

[destriero]

Socialism worked really well for the ordinary people in so many places - USSR, Venezuela, Yugoslavia, eastern Europe, China, Cuba, North Korea, Cambodia.............

Why don't you donate your Social Security income to the Heritage Foundation?

 

[destriero]

9/10 of the most Federally-dependent states are Red States.

 

[destriero]

Socialism worked really well for the ordinary people in so many places - USSR, Venezuela, Yugoslavia, eastern Europe, China, Cuba, North Korea, Cambodia.............

Evva Pryor helped Ayn Rand apply for Social Security and Rand received a small monthly benefit check, having contributed very little to the program.

 

[Slartibartfast]

9/10 of the most Federally-dependent states are Red States.

Oh dear, now they will start into a stats war, outliers dropped from 30 thousand feet. Take cover.

 

[digitalnomad]

I went through an Atlas Shrugged phase when I was 15 too. Happens to the best of us.

Like last year?

 

[destriero]

The max contribution (2016) was 7,400. My father received >$30,000/yr in benefits at age 62 back in 1993. Why don't you Randians donate your surplus?