socialism in America.

[Humpy]

is not that an explanation?:
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/socialism-in-america.319406/page-19#post-4631037

I think you are referring to the Soviet era in Russia and Mao in China. When a small clique took absolute power. Definitely nothing to do with real socialism. Name only.

 

[qxr1011]

I think you are referring to the Soviet era in Russia and Mao in China. When a small clique took absolute power. Definitely nothing to do with real socialism. Name only.

i refereed to your request reading marx as a prerequisite to intelligent conversation and i responded

but and soviets and china and cuba and a lot of other shit-hole countries have a lot to do with real socialism, and do not forget that socialism in Marx's version is a government's ownership of the means of production, so the Russians played exactly by Marx's theory and nowhere Marx referred to a liberal democracy - read fucken Marx and his ideas about dictatorship of the proletariat

and i definitely have comments about what u trying to explain to me about uk version its just to lengthy to write

so long

 

[tomorton]

I think you are referring to the Soviet era in Russia and Mao in China. When a small clique took absolute power. Definitely nothing to do with real socialism. Name only.

I include those countries, yes,amongst others. But where do you mean as "real socialism"?

 

[qxr1011]

I include those countries, yes,amongst others. But where do you mean as "real socialism"?

accidentally blocked u, sorry

 

[tomorton]

accidentally blocked u, sorry

's OK.

 

[qxr1011]

Far too many of them ended up communist when they thought they were going to be socialist

u confusing one thing

they were never communist if u know what communism is about and they knew it and never referred to themselves as communist society and even as they called themselves communists and the party was Communist party

communism was a goal (never achieved anywhere)

they referred to themselves as socialist society and they were true socialist

 

[tomorton]

u confusing one thing

they were never communist if u know what communism is about and they knew it and never referred to themselves as communist society and even as they called themselves communists and the party was Communist party

communism was a goal (never achieved anywhere)

they referred to themselves as socialist society and they were true socialist

Well, on the one hand I'm being told that countries that describe themselves as socialist in their titles, constitutions and in general communications aren't really and countries which were pointed out to me that I thought were socialist were actually communist, but now you say they weren't communist at all.

So, from your point of view, what are/were the significant countries which would you list as socialist and as communist?

 

[qxr1011]

Well, on the one hand I'm being told that countries that describe themselves as socialist in their titles, constitutions and in general communications aren't really and countries which were pointed out to me that I thought were socialist were actually communist, but now you say they weren't communist at all.

So, from your point of view, what are/were the significant countries which would you list as socialist and as communist?

can we continue on skype, so i can talk not write?

my nick there same as here

 

[tomorton]

can we continue on skype, so i can talk not write?

my nick there same as here

No, I like ET.

 

[NeoTrader]

u kidding right?

or maybe you thought that i was kidding when i told you before that i studied him from mid-school and u sending me link to wiki ?

The problem with the socialists here is that they think that "just because" Ayn Rand lived under a communist regime, her visions towards socialism are "too radical". So it is only logical to conclude that they would think the same thing about you too... After all, they are the intellectuals that read and "really understand" Marx...