Actually I don't watch the television news very much. I read mostly. Do you watch FOX news as well? I hope not, because then this thread is so much a cliche that perhaps it is beneath my 'unoriginal' intellect. Its a shame I don't have any original thoughts. I've tried so hard. What am I to do? Well I guess that isn't a problem - you have enough 'original' thoughts for all of us here. I'll let you take that lead.
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So much for Global Warming
- Thread starter jficquette
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Actually I don't watch the television news very much. I read mostly. Do you watch FOX news as well? I hope not, because then this thread is so much a cliche that perhaps it is beneath my 'unoriginal' intellect. Its a shame I don't have any original thoughts. I've tried so hard. What am I to do? Well I guess that isn't a problem - you have enough 'original' thoughts for all of us here. I'll let you take that lead.
Quote from eminitrader007:
McCain wasn't born on American soil, then he should have been disqualified too. Do you even read the links that you post.
So then if McCain had won you would be claiming him not eligible? Well Obama won and you ignore it LOL.
"WASHINGTON (Wednesday, April 30, 2008) â The Senate tonight unanimously passed a bipartisan resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that John McCain, a U.S. Senator from Arizona currently serving his fourth term in the Senate, is eligible to run for President of the United States. McCain is the presumptive Republican nominee for the presidency"
http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/043008d.html
You need to go study what Natural Born means. There are 3 types of citizens.
One is Natural Born. That means you are born to two citizens on US soil or on assignment or in the employ of the federal government.
One is US Citizen. That is someone who is born on American soil. Citizenship of parents today (rules were changed regarding the British Nationality Act in 1963) don't matter.
One is naturalized citizen. That is someone who comes here and becomes naturalized through the process as outlined.
People confuse the Natural or Native born with the US Citizen. They are not the same.
For example, my opinion is Jindal is not eligible to run for President because while he was born in Louisiana his parents were immigrants from India who had only been in the country for less then a year.
John
Quote from jficquette:
So then if McCain had won you would be claiming him not eligible? Well Obama won and you ignore it LOL.
"WASHINGTON (Wednesday, April 30, 2008) â The Senate tonight unanimously passed a bipartisan resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that John McCain, a U.S. Senator from Arizona currently serving his fourth term in the Senate, is eligible to run for President of the United States. McCain is the presumptive Republican nominee for the presidency"
http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/043008d.html
You need to go study what Natural Born means. There are 3 types of citizens.
One is Natural Born. That means you are born to two citizens on US soil or on assignment or in the employ of the federal government.
One is US Citizen. That is someone who is born on American soil. Citizenship of parents today (rules were changed regarding the British Nationality Act in 1963) don't matter.
One is naturalized citizen. That is someone who comes here and becomes naturalized through the process as outlined.
People confuse the Natural or Native born with the US Citizen. They are not the same.
My opinion is Jindal is not eligible to run for President because while he was born in Louisiana his parents were immigrants from India who had only been in the country for less then a year.
John
Are you an attorney by profession? If so you should stop wasting your time on ET and do something about this very real an imminent danger to your future lifestyle. You have a chance to change America with your original thoughts, but unfortunately not a single ET reader will give a shit nor have the connections to do something about this disparaging violation of our constitution. Maybe you can buy an ad with your trading profits.
Quote from scriabinop23:
Actually I don't watch the television news very much. I read mostly. Do you watch FOX news as well? I hope not, because then this thread is so much a cliche that perhaps it is beneath my 'unoriginal' intellect. Its a shame I don't have any original thoughts. I've tried so hard. What am I to do? Well I guess that isn't a problem - you have enough 'original' thoughts for all of us here. I'll let you take that lead.
That's ok that you have no original thoughts or ideas. 75% of humans are like you.
Quote from jficquette:
So then if McCain had won you would be claiming him not eligible? Well Obama won and you ignore it LOL.
"WASHINGTON (Wednesday, April 30, 2008) â The Senate tonight unanimously passed a bipartisan resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that John McCain, a U.S. Senator from Arizona currently serving his fourth term in the Senate, is eligible to run for President of the United States. McCain is the presumptive Republican nominee for the presidency"
http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/043008d.html
You need to go study what Natural Born means. There are 3 types of citizens.
One is Natural Born. That means you are born to two citizens on US soil or on assignment or in the employ of the federal government.
One is US Citizen. That is someone who is born on American soil. Citizenship of parents today (rules were changed regarding the British Nationality Act in 1963) don't matter.
One is naturalized citizen. That is someone who comes here and becomes naturalized through the process as outlined.
People confuse the Natural or Native born with the US Citizen. They are not the same.
For example, my opinion is Jindal is not eligible to run for President because while he was born in Louisiana his parents were immigrants from India who had only been in the country for less then a year.
John
If McCain had won, he should be our next president. It does not matter what you think about Jindal but he is eligible to run for the president. He seems to be the best hope for the Republicons. You can cry as much as you want but that will not change anything. Put that Mein Kempf down for a change.
Quote from piezoe:
It seems to me that the jury is still out, but that it is better to be safe than sorry. I accept the argument that even if the anthropomorphic CO2 global warming connection turns out to be false or insignificant, there are sound arguments favoring curtailing of CO2 emissions, and also i might add that these same arguments can be used to explain why, from a human perspective, deforestation and general despoiling of the Earths ecosystem is a very bad idea.
Great post.
What strikes me when I look at this graph of data compiled from ice core samples are the spikes. It seems to me that we're just unlucky to be living at the start of the downside of one of those spikes.
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Quote from scriabinop23:
Are you an attorney by profession? If so you should stop wasting your time on ET and do something about this very real an imminent danger to your future lifestyle. You have a chance to change America with your original thoughts, but unfortunately not a single ET reader will give a shit nor have the connections to do something about this disparaging violation of our constitution. Maybe you can buy an ad with your trading profits.
You mean an ad like this that was run the chicago tribune on 12/05? If you wonder why his college records are included is because it is suspected that he went to Columbia on a scholarship for FOREIGN STUDENTS lol.
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/misc2008/ChicagoTribune-ObamaLtr-Nov-2008.pdf
Quote from eminitrader007:
If McCain had won, he should be our next president. It does not matter what you think about Jindal but he is eligible to run for the president. He seems to be the best hope for the Republicons. You can cry as much as you want but that will not change anything. Put that Mein Kempf down for a change.
Why do you say Jindal is a Natural Born citizen when his parents were here on a visa going to LSU?
Your comments on it just show how ignorant you are.
Quote from jficquette:
Why do you say Jindal is a Natural Born citizen when his parents were here on a visa going to LSU?
Your comments on it just show how ignorant you are.
You are funny, it does not matter if his parents were here illegally, since he was born here he is considered a natural-born citizen.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
You act like you don't have anything intersting going on in your life that you would come to a message board and post the same lies over and over again. Are you having a mid-life crisis because you were unable to realize your dreams, have become slightly overweight and losing your hair?
Quote from scriabinop23:
Pissy aren't we? I asked if you are a Christian. You say fuck yourself. I say you are maybe a white racist. You call me an asshole. Nice...
I'm not attorney so it is moot point, but isn't this immaterial because of what this 'credible immigration lawyer' has to say? Are you an immigration lawyer or a scientist? Or neither?
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/06/is_barack_obama_a_us_citizen_y.html
Now pay strict attention, because I'm only going to explain this once: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the United States and therefore eligible to become president? The answer is yes, according to Ron Gotcher, a noted California immigration lawyer and The Swamp's resident expert on presidential eligibility.
"The poster's confusion," Gotcher writes, "is over the concepts of jus sanguinis and jus soli." Under jus sanguinis, a person's citizenship is transmitted "by the blood" - by inheritance from his or her parents or grandparents. In the United States, we recognize citizenship through parentage in a number of cases.
But it is not necessary to look to the statutes that deal with citizenship through jus sanguinis, since Senator Obama's citizenship derives from jus soli - citizenship through place of birth.
According to Gotcher, "The Fourteenth Amendment commands that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States , and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."
"This was clarified by the Civil Rights Act of April 9, 1866, which provided that 'All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power are declared to be citizens of the United States.'"
"Senator Obama was born in the State of Hawaii two years after it became a state on Aug.21, 1959 As such, he acquired United States citizenship automatically at birth. While it is not necessary to go into all of the other legal errors contained in the posting (and there are many), the simple fact is that, with rare exceptions (children of diplomats), everyone born in the United States is a citizen of the United States at birth."
But what about the age of Obama's mother? Remember jus soli--citizenship through place of birth? (c'mon--there IS going to be a quiz). In that case--which happens to be Obama's case--the age of the parents has nothing to do with anything. Under jus soli even the children of illegal aliens are U.S. citizens at birth--just ask the pregnant women from Mexico near the end of their third trimester who try to sneak across the border in hopes their child will be born in a San Diego hospital and leave with a U.S. birth certificate clutched in his or her tiny hand.
Except for the children of diplomats, every child born in the U.S. is a natural-born U.S. citizen, period. The parents could be citizens themselves, could be from France, could be Coneheads. Nothing else matters. Only if the child is born OUTSIDE the United States to one citizen-parent does the issue of the parents' age, citizenship, or whatever, come into play.
"All that matters is that the child is born here, " Gotcher says. "This is the reason that you are hearing so much fuss in Congress about changing the law that grants 'birthright citizenship.'" But even such a law, however unlikely to pass, would not be retroactive. If Barack Obama wins the presidential election he can begin choosing the furniture for the Oval Office without watching for immigration agents over his shoulder.
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(Hmmm.. Isn't that McCain's dilemma actually?)
http://www.discourse.net/archives/2008/07/is_mccain_a_natural_born_citizen.html
Here is the problem:
"This was clarified by the Civil Rights Act of April 9, 1866, which provided that 'All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power are declared to be citizens of the United States.'"
Obama was born subject to a foreign power because his father was a british subject. This was due to the British Nationality Act of 1948. The US stopped reconginzing that act in 1963. Two years after Obama was born.
There is no evidence Obama was born in Hawaii. No hospital records exist. The annoucment of his birth in a paper that some point too was an annoucment put there by his mother. Similar to when people annouce engagements, weddings etc.
Here is another problem with it:
US Law very clearly states: '. . . If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one's birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.' Barack Obama's father was not a U.S. Citizen is a fact.
His mother was only 18 so she could not have lived 5 years pass her 16th birthday in the US.
Again, you just don't seem to understand the difference between Natural Born and US Citizen.
John