Six Iranians arrested for dancing to promote islam

[stu]

 

[Ricter]

you are an ignorant troll stu,
of course many of the people stating Natural Law may come from a Creator. to be consistent in thought most atheists have to become moral relativists.
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Atheists can be moral absolutists, they will simply recognize that first principles derive from Man and agreement, not from God and decree.

 

[jem]

Within International there is a massively enjoyable debate about laws and norms and treaties and whether an agreed upon principle can rise to the level of being absolute. Many would argue certain human rights are absolute... But, in reality in the end what controls international law is the power theory. whoever has the power makes the rules.

I would argue men can't make absolutes because man's concepts change and because man can't enforce them.
(for the trolls out there... I know this is philosophy so you can have a different opinion..... your is just wrong if it differs from mine - that is the only absolute)

Atheists can be moral absolutists, they will simply recognize that first principles derive from Man and agreement, not from God and decree.

 

[stu]

Within International there is a massively enjoyable debate about laws and norms and treaties and whether an agreed upon principle can rise to the level of being absolute. Many would argue certain human rights are absolute... But, in reality in the end what controls international law is the power theory. whoever has the power makes the rules.

I would argue men can't make absolutes because man's concepts change and because man can't enforce them.
(for the trolls out there... I know this is philosophy so you can have a different opinion..... your is just wrong if it differs from mine - that is the only absolute)

So men can't make absolutes. There can be no absolutes derived from concepts like God then.

Whereas the concept of men having inalienable rights intrinsic in nature which he cannot change, makes the claim for absolutes from a deity somewhat irrelevant.

I don't think you have a philosophy so much as a method for for absolutely shooting yourself in the foot .

 

[jem]

you are clearly not the same Stu... when it comes to philosophy you are not even close to the previous Stu's class.

Bring back the old Stu he was a smart guy tasked to take the other side of some truly tough arguments and he did a good troll job.

your arguments suck and are filled with logical missteps .

So men can't make absolutes. There can be no absolutes derived from concepts like God then.

Whereas the concept of men having inalienable rights intrinsic in nature which he cannot change, makes the claim for absolutes from a deity somewhat irrelevant.

I don't think you have a philosophy so much as a method for for absolutely shooting yourself in the foot .

 

[stu]

you are clearly not the same Stu... when it comes to philosophy you are not even close to the previous Stu's class.

Bring back the old Stu he was a smart guy tasked to take the other side of some truly tough arguments and he did a good troll job.

your arguments suck and are filled with logical missteps .

You're just weird.

Bottom line, Declaration of Independence makes no theological affirmations, neither does the Constitution.

 

[stu]

Atheists can be moral absolutists, they will simply recognize that first principles derive from Man and agreement, not from God and decree.

Well put.
God and decree of course being Man made anyhow.

 

[Ricter]

Well put.
God and decree of course being Man made anyhow.

Although, God could be imagined to be the vanishing point, off the page, which makes sense of the (Man's) drawing. At least for some. : )

 

[Trader666]

Bottom line, Declaration of Independence makes no theological affirmations, neither does the Constitution.

Yet again you contradict yourself and show what a lying troll you are

Sure rabid atheist, whatever you say:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

You know damn well what "Creator" means, which is why you removed it from your suggested wording to Commodity_Trader in this post:

Sounds like you need a proper Constitution. Here's a Declaration you can borrow to base one on. It is without all the religious BS that must contribute so much to the mess you describe.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal and independent, & from that equality they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness

 

[jem]

Solid response.

It seems to me this troll Stu is on the clock and just cuts his time short by throwing out easily checked moronic but provocative statements.
At least the old Stu could make you think with most of his posts.

Yet again you contradict yourself and show what a lying troll you are

Sure rabid atheist, whatever you say:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

You know damn well what "Creator" means, which is why you removed it from your suggested wording to Commodity_Trader in this post: