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[stu]

You know damn well what "Creator" means, which is why you removed it from your suggested wording to Commodity_Trader in this post:

"Solid response"

I know what "Creator" means, which is a term not used in the Declaration of Independence. I know what "their Creator" means, which is the term used in the Declaration.

It is obvious but not surprising, you're wrong, as usual, about why I removed both words when responding to Commodity_Trader. It is perfectly clear I was pointing out both words were not in original drafts of the Declaration.

Also abundantly clear is that whatever you consider your Creator, is not what I might consider mine. That stands for everyone.

Unfortunately for you, the term "their Creator" is not a passport for you or anyone else to arbitrarily insert the word God for everyone. Had founders intended to mean God they would have surely used the word God. They do not use the word God either in the Declaration or Constitution.

That's your problem and why you God Botherers are always trying to insinuate it into everything. All you can do is start foaming, get angry, nasty and illogical, every time the word gets spit out again.

 

[stu]

Although, God could be imagined to be the vanishing point, off the page, which makes sense of the (Man's) drawing. At least for some. : )

Yes for some Ricter, but it doesn't alter that the drawing of decree, and its resultant vanishing point renamed God, are still, Man made.

 

[jem]

1. first of all there were multiple drafts... and some included references to God.

2. endowed by their Creator... with a capital "C" is a reference to God. Its nonsense to claim otherwise.

3. They did use the word God.


When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-
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"Solid response"

I know what "Creator" means, which is a term not used in the Declaration of Independence. I know what "their Creator" means, which is the term used in the Declaration.

It is obvious but not surprising, you're wrong, as usual, about why I removed both words when responding to Commodity_Trader. It is perfectly clear I was pointing out both words were not in original drafts of the Declaration.

Also abundantly clear is that whatever you consider your Creator, is not what I might consider mine. That stands for everyone.

Unfortunately for you, the term "their Creator" is not a passport for you or anyone else to arbitrarily insert the word God for everyone. Had founders intended to mean God they would have surely used the word God. They do not use the word God either in the Declaration or Constitution.

That's your problem and why you God Botherers are always trying to insinuate it into everything. All you can do is start foaming, get angry, nasty and illogical, every time the word gets spit out again.

 

[Trader666]

I know what "Creator" means, which is a term not used in the Declaration of Independence. I know what "their Creator" means, which is the term used in the Declaration.


Had founders intended to mean God they would have surely used the word God. They do not use the word God either in the Declaration or Constitution.

Jem already owned you on both points. I'll add that yet again you show you're not the sharpest peanut in the turd

P.S. For the fourth time, what country are you a citizen of and from what country do you post?

 

[stu]

1. first of all there were multiple drafts... and some included references to God.

and some didn't. Very telling that some didn't.

2. endowed by their Creator... with a capital "C" is a reference to God. Its nonsense to claim otherwise.

A reference to whose God and what God. Jefferson's God certainly wouldn't be your God. A God Jefferson wouldn't recognize as revealed by your religion.

They didn't write "their God" or even "the Creator". If Creator is to mean God then it is only referencing an abstract noun to do with completely imaginary concepts. Nothing at all concrete.

God with a capital g doesn't make it anymore real. Not even like for instance natural rights are.

Both Declaration and Constitution documents are a lot more than anything to do with supposedly referencing any God.

3. They did use the word God.

They used the words "their Creator".

Are you really asserting the ridiculous notion that if the country isn't founded on the belief that there is a Creator called God, somehow people suddenly can't have natural inalienable rights.

The very thing that would completely frustrate natural inalienable rights should be what they are based upon . Yeah that'll work.

you did post this you know....

Natural rights are those not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular culture

 

[Trader666]

Had founders intended to mean God they would have surely used the word God.

Oh but they did use the word "God" and in the very first sentence. Because, of course, the "founders intended to mean God" after all.

Unfortunately for you, the term "their Creator" is not a passport for you or anyone else to arbitrarily insert the word God for everyone.

Unfortunately for you and your rabid atheism, since the "founders intended to mean God" in the first sentence and then used "their Creator" in the second sentence AND capitalized it, clearly they were referring to God AGAIN.

But keep digging. It's hilarious and the icing on the cake of your absolute STUpidity and ignorance.

 

[stu]

Oh but they did use the word "God" and in the very first sentence. Because, of course, the "founders intended to mean God" after all.

wtf are you driveling about.

since the "founders intended to mean God"

Right so when founders didn't use the word God, you imagine they "intended to mean God". In your fk'd up world they used a word they didn't use

And btw, in later Adam's draft there was no capital c when "their creator" was added, so they certainly had no intentions to mean anything of the sort.

You angry theists do so make me laugh.

 

[Trader666]

wtf are you driveling about.


Right so when founders didn't use the word God, you imagine they "intended to mean God". In your fk'd up world they used a word they didn't use

And btw, in later Adam's draft there was no capital c when "their creator" was added, so they certainly had no intentions to mean anything of the sort.

You angry theists do so make me laugh.

Keep digging troll

 

[jem]

This is the bottom line.
Natural Law and a Creator - fit hand in glove.

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When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-

 

[stu]

This is the bottom line.
Natural Law and a Creator - fit hand in glove.

...except of course, as the written drafts of the founders confirm, prior to the superstitious and a Congress getting involved , in the real world, they fit foot in glove.