Shroud Of Turin Determined From Time Of Jesus

[pspr]

Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

Well if true ,I'm fucked.:eek:

I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. It sounds like you're in so far that you'd probably have to start asking forgiveness now and not stop until the day you die just to get it all covered.

Just kidding. I don't think there are any rules about not being able to cover multiple sins of the same nature with a blanket request for forgiveness. But.....I could be wrong.

 

[pspr]

Quote from piezoe:

Unfortunately, there are no known reliable dating methods using infrared and Raman spectroscopy. The Carbon-14 dating method, on the other hand, has been shown to be reliable, and the result was reproduced by the several labs that dated the linen of the Shroud. The Shroud is too new to have been the burial Shroud of the Jesus of the Christian faith.

The fact that there is still uncertainty as to how the image was created does not negate the carbon-14 dating. So far as anyone knows at this point, it could be a burial Shroud. Nevertheless, the proportions of the image are not correct for human anatomy, which makes it doubtful that it is an actual burial shroud.. In any case it is not the burial Shroud of Jesus of the Christian faith. That much is certain.

LOL Just about everything you've said there is the opposite of the studies I have read about it. Do you just make this crap up as you go or what?

 

[pspr]

Quote from piezoe:

Actually there are not. This is a problem. The Romans are known to have kept meticulous records of crucifixions, yet there is no known Roman record of Jesus' crucifixion.

Of course there aren't. Can't you tell when someone is joking about something that everyone knows doesn't exist? But it's not a problem. Because there are no lists of people crucified by the Romans. Really! You're just full of BS.

 

[Dustin]

What an absurd statement. So if I don't believe in God, he doesn't believe in me? So that means 2/3rds of earthly humans are going to hell at all times. Thousands of people die every day, and most of them go to hell. It makes me sad that people believe this drivel.

Being God fearing is no reason to believe.

Quote from LEAPup:

I did.

God doesn't believe in atheists.

The Son of Man walked the Earth healing people, and performed NUMEROUS miracles with the expectation that HIS children He created believe. What did your muslim "god" do?

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from piezoe:

Actually there are not. This is a problem. The Romans are known to have kept meticulous records of crucifixions, yet there is no known Roman record of Jesus' crucifixion.

right and they conveniently lost the polaroids to protect the guilty.

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from piezoe:

1)Nevertheless, the proportions of the image are not correct for human anatomy, which makes it doubtful that it is an actual burial shroud.. 2) In any case it is not the burial Shroud of Jesus of the Christian faith. That much is certain.

1) So now you're proposing it's an burial shroud artifact of a space alein eh?
nice theory

2) That's a particularly absurd statement. How do you know that for CERTAIN?

 

[PHOENIX TRADING]

Quote from Dustin:



Being God fearing is no reason to believe.

I happen to agree but ask me if I give a fuck if you believe or not.

It ain't my problem and it's not my job to make you a believer.


now you might find muslims a bit more insistent that you believe their way.

 

[piezoe]

Quote from pspr:

Of course there aren't. Can't you tell when someone is joking about something that everyone knows doesn't exist? But it's not a problem. Because there are no lists of people crucified by the Romans. Really! You're just full of BS.

I knew it was sarcasm. It is a problem however that there is no record, when there should be. But that of course is not definitive.

 

[bigarrow]

Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

I happen to agree but ask me if I give a fuck if you believe or not.

It ain't my problem and it's not my job to make you a believer.


now you might find muslims a bit more insistent that you believe their way.

No I've never had a Muslim knock on my door bugging me about Jesus or dominate the conversation at the coffee shop with their Jesus stories and come to church with me rants.
But overall most of you Christians are much better than most of you Muslims.

 

[piezoe]

Quote from MarketMasher:

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The shroud exists. Even with the repair piece that was tested, it is at least as old as late 1300's-early 1400's.
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The previous carbon-14 dating was ruled contaminated and inaccurate.
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Easter approaches.

Above statements I've put in italics are incorrect. The piece tested, approximately 1 cm square, was from the main part of the shroud, not a repair.

The previous carbon-14 dating was said to have resulted from contamination by others not associated with the dating. This is of course nonsense. The linen not contaminants was dated. The sample would have been thoroughly cleaned before counting. Three labs counted the sample and the results from all three agreed within the statistical error limit. The result was relatively inaccurate but not nearly so inaccurate as to allow the possibility of the shroud being the burial shroud of the Jesus of the Christian faith.

Easter was approaching when you wrote the above; thus it is to be expected that "Shroud stories" would crop up in the everyday press, just as Santa sightings crop up on Christmas eve.

The only way to get even remotely reliable information on matters such as this would be to go to the peer reviewed scientific literature. In all the media reports I did not see a single scientific literature reference. I strongly suspect that the folks at Padua were being quoted out of context.