Should I join this prop firm or keep trading for myself?

Keep doing what you're doing. Don't go looking for a new adventure.

Recall that pigs get fed and hogs get slaughtered.

How about giving it a year? If I don't like it after a year I can just go back. I have enough money saved up for that. Part of me is on the fence but another part of me wants to see if it can be something more. Maybe it's just FOMO, I don't know.
 
How about giving it a year? If I don't like it after a year I can just go back. I have enough money saved up for that. Part of me is on the fence but another part of me wants to see if it can be something more. Maybe it's just FOMO, I don't know.

Figure out the multi-dimensional criteria that would dictate success. Working for a year, or even six months on a trial basis is a good strategy.

If it's in New York, you will find a lot of women, so that's a plus side. The minus side is they are generally very sad and miserable and alcoholics. Etc etc.
 
I mostly scalp stocks, but I still think I can scale it up to a point where even getting 40% payout it could be at least twice to three times as much as what I make now.
With a 40% payout, you would have to make 5X as much as you currently make to double your income. Are you sure that you'll be able scale up that much scalping stocks?

If I were you, I would probably just keep growing my account, and scale up as the growth allowed.
 
That's dangerous if they won't commit anything in writing. What made you stay for *17* years in prop trading firms?

Cheap commissions. 100-1 leverage. The evil that I knew versus the unknown evil. One day I turned around and the 300 trader firm I was at was down to me and my trading partner. Couldn't tell you who was in charge, who was our manager. Decision to move one was basically made for me.
 
With a 40% payout, you would have to make 5X as much as you currently make to double your income. Are you sure that you'll be able scale up that much scalping stocks?

If I were you, I would probably just keep growing my account, and scale up as the growth allowed.

I'm sorry, I should have added earlier that the payout increases depending on how much you make. $1 million (before the split) and it's 50% and $2 million and it's 60%. 60% is the max.
 
How about giving it a year? If I don't like it after a year I can just go back. I have enough money saved up for that. Part of me is on the fence but another part of me wants to see if it can be something more. Maybe it's just FOMO, I don't know.

New York is an exciting place aside from everything else so it's understandable that you are curious. Make sure you get everything in writing, the payout %, the no capital contribution, and etc.. It scares me when @ShortBoca said that nothing that those prop trading firms say is ever in writing. I mean it's good that you are not putting in your money which could be commingled with the firm's capital but still.
 
OP, 40% payout on a firm-backed deal is very low. Everything should be in writing, max loss, commission, BP, and ways for you to increase your payout.

If the firm that offered you this deal isn't a registered BD, avoid it like the plague. PM me if you have any questions.
 
If you are considering the prop trading firm though, forget about other traders stealing your strategy, as long as they don't publish your trading rules/systems/strategies, nobody can gauge anything by just looking at your entries and exists. And besides, if everybody copies trades from you, then they will even move the market for you and might allow you to profit faster and allow the firm to be in a better financial position if your trades do indeed have a high profit probability.

Very much disagree. If active trading is 'value arbitrage' and acts as the grease between buyers and sellers to join value assessments 'sooner' (with your capital in play than without), the process of injecting *more* arbitrage capital into that market will quickly dilute the usefulness AND the rewards to being there.

Depending on your actual trading pattern, if you give me a slice of your trades, I don't *have to* deduce your exact rules, I just have to get close. And then, if you've got a $10m/day market, and I waltz in with my pretty-close $1m basket, I've just tapped 10% of your income, just from looking over your shoulder. (And this is assuming a linear effect, which in practice, it's not...)
 
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...But my main concerns are relocating (I like it here in Wisconsin) and being surrounded by others who might eat away at my edge if they see what I'm doing. Is it worth the move and the experience?

That right there should be your answer to stay where you're at.

I've once lived in the summer in NY (lived with a college buddy) and WI (Madeline Island with a relative) although never spent any time in Milwaukee WI...

Cost of living and quality of life is a big issue for me. I'm not a big fan of Milwaukee but NYC I could never reside in reference to the city itself.

The issue is that you're asking the opinions of anonymous people that know nothing about your lifestyle/costs in Milwaukee in comparison to your lifestyle/costs in New York City (assuming you're not talking about some suburb in the state of New York). Also, you mention nothing about your family/relationships.

Without the info about family/relationships, Milwaukee has the edge and I think a trial run in NYC for a summer would be enough for you to make a better decision. Thus, a full year not needed. Yet, make sure you make arrangements in Milwaukee just in case you decide to return. For example, if you own your house/condo...sublease it for 1 year or rent it for one year.

If you're renting, you can make arrangements with your landlord to only sublet it on a one year term.

What's your cost of living in Milwaukee per year ?

What will be your cost of living in New York City per year ?

wrbtrader
 
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