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[Tsing Tao]

So what would Romney have done about Putin's annexation of Crimea? Or does anyone think Putin wouldn't have done it if Romney had been president?

I know you're not asking me specifically, but...

I'm not sure Romney would agreed to overthrow the Ukrainian regime that got us into this in the first place. Or, if that had already been put in place, he would have backed off it. There was no need to goad the Russians into anything - the region was stable.

 

[jem]

Plus Putin would know Romney is not an idiot whom he could walk all over.
Putin and Romney might have worked something out instead of being caught on camera saying please wait until after the election... then you can show everyone the choomer I am.
Which is perhaps the weakest thing I can ever imagine a President saying to a geopolitical foe.

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I know you're not asking me specifically, but...

I'm not sure Romney would agreed to overthrow the Ukrainian regime that got us into this in the first place. Or, if that had already been put in place, he would have backed off it. There was no need to goad the Russians into anything - the region was stable.

 

[Scataphagos]

Originally Posted by futurecurrents

"... I'm a partisan Democrat because of ethics..."

The entire premise of Democrats is the supposed righteousness of forcefully taking property from one citizen and giving it to another in exchange for their vote. Just what is "ethical" about that??

It's not any different than if I rousted you off the street at gun point and said, "go buy some paint and paint some ne'er-do-wells house". Would that be ethical too... just because some loser wants his house painted and you happen to have the money to buy the paint in your pocket?

 

[jem]

Its odd I see the left say its not the lefts fault its always Bush or

California is ungovernable.
The federal govt is too big for one man
The world is not Obama's fault.

 

[Ricter]

I know you're not asking me specifically, but...

I'm not sure Romney would agreed to overthrow the Ukrainian regime that got us into this in the first place. Or, if that had already been put in place, he would have backed off it. There was no need to goad the Russians into anything - the region was stable.

I don't think the US had much to do with Ukrainian instability. There was of course the great recession. But more so, it seems the young people of Ukraine want closer ties to Europe and the West, and the old folks want to look back, to the glory days of Russian empire.

 

[dbphoenix]

I don't think the US had much to do with Ukrainian instability. There was of course the great recession. But more so, it seems the young people of Ukraine want closer ties to Europe and the West, and the old folks want to look back, to the glory days of Russian empire.

You mean like old, white CCs and the glory days of Reaganism?

BTW, you might like to know that due to your remarks about The Story of Civilization yesterday, I bought a set and hope to finish it this time. Tossing a pebble in a pond.

 

[Ricter]

You mean like old, white CCs and the glory days of Reaganism?

BTW, you might like to know that due to your remarks about The Story of Civilization yesterday, I bought a set and hope to finish it this time. Tossing a pebble in a pond.

Cool! You bought the hardcopy volumes? I see they're available in eform on Kindle, but... it's not the same. Anyway, you have a lot of work, if pleasureable, ahead of you.

 

[dbphoenix]

Cool! You bought the hardcopy volumes? I see they're available on Kindle, but... it's not the same. Anyway, you have a lot of work, if pleasureable, ahead of you.

Yeah. I set up a library in this new house and stocked it with hardbacks. Those cold winter evenings, you know.

And it's a lot of reading, but I wouldn't call it work. The first few volumes I read back when were an easy read. And I'm in no hurry.

 

[Arnie]

Actually, once. The first time was by court verdict.

Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote

Acomprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward.

Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/12VOTE.html

 

[dbphoenix]

Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote

Acomprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward.

Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/politics/12VOTE.html

And yet . . .

But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots. This also assumes that county canvassing boards would have reached the same conclusions about the disputed ballots that the consortium's independent observers did. The findings indicate that Mr. Gore might have eked out a victory if he had pursued in court a course like the one he publicly advocated when he called on the state to "count all the votes."

In addition, the review found statistical support for the complaints of many voters, particularly elderly Democrats in Palm Beach County, who said in interviews after the election that confusing ballot designs may have led them to spoil their ballots by voting for more than one candidate.

More than 113,000 voters cast ballots for two or more presidential candidates. Of those, 75,000 chose Mr. Gore and a minor candidate; 29,000 chose Mr. Bush and a minor candidate. Because there was no clear indication of what the voters intended, those numbers were not included in the consortium's final tabulations.

Thus the most thorough examination of Florida's uncounted ballots provides ammunition for both sides in what remains the most disputed and mystifying presidential election in modern times. It illuminates in detail the weaknesses of Florida's system that prevented many from voting as they intended to. But it also provides support for the result that county election officials and the courts ultimately arrived at — a Bush victory by the tiniest of margins.