Schumer Surrender - the M& M Massacre

UsualName said:
Eh, you guys will be there in 2020 no matter what. Trump wants amnesty and TPP, inflation and debt and ultimately we will get a war and recession but the right winger will be there for Trump.

All you have to do is look at how Obama was labeled a Muslim and Trump as a wholesome Christian to understand there is no limit to the right wing delusion.

Trump will have you loving DACA and TPP by 2020.
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It is bizarre to witness how easily Trump is able to manipulate his core, even though it requires them to throw logic to the wind. He can lie to them with absolute impunity. One understands how it is that these techniques could have succeeded in Germany of the 1930s, but it is a mystery to me why they remain effective in the age of the internet. But perhaps I have this backwards and am failing to recognize that these Josef Goebbel's techniques work now not despite the internet, but because of the internet.
 
piezoe said:
It is bizarre to witness how easily Trump is able to manipulate his core, even though it requires them to throw logic to the wind. He can lie to them with absolute impunity. One understands how it is that these techniques could have succeeded in Germany of the 1930s, but it is a mystery to me why they remain effective in the age of the internet. But perhaps I have this backwards and am failing to recognize that these Josef Goebbel's techniques work now not despite the internet, but because of the internet.
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Right, there is an amazing irony in that the free flow and democratization of information led to the explosion and acceptance of corrupt and false information.

The internet has made a lot of otherwise intelligent people stupid.
 
UsualName said:
Right, there is an amazing irony in that the free flow and democratization of information led to the explosion and acceptance of corrupt and false information.

The internet has made a lot of otherwise intelligent people stupid.
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Yes, we were so much better off when the NYT, WashPost, CBS, NBC and ABC could decide what was newsworthy. It is so confusing today with people getting their news from alternative sources which lack journalistic integrity.
 
UsualName said:
I’m not understanding, is Trump ok if he grants amnesty (in 10 years) and puts up a wall? Or, if he grants amnesty then there is no redemption?
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Trump campaigned on no amnesty, certainly no citizenship for illegals. In fairness, he did mumble something about Dreamers being ok. His signature promise was the wall, which of course meant that dems would do anything to stop it, so he would be in the position of George "Read My Lips, No New Taxes" Bush.

Trump has now foolishly accepted the entire premise of the amnesty movement. All Dreamers, not just those in DACA, plus their parents will be put on a path to citizenship. He and the republican leadership have accepted that as the morally right position. Having frittered away their negotiating leverage, I really don't see how they can get any kind of deal out of the dems. The dems should do exactly what they are doing, pocketing concessions and raising the bar.

The dems feel there is a very good chance if they hold firm, the McConnell/Ryan surrender monkeys will be braying for a deal, any kind of deal, so they can claim to have "done something." Trump has been surprisingly open to taking his lead on other matters from McConnell/Ryan, albeit with disastrous results, eg repeal of obamacare, Alabama senate primary. On DACA Trump has frankly been so far all over the place that no one really knows what his position is.

So there is a very good chance Trump will go along with an amnesty, which the courts will then expand to include every living or unborn person in the entire third world, and get nothing of substance in return. Good luck running for reelection on that record, which of course is exactly the end goal of the dems and establishment republicans. Once again, they win, America loses.
 
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