S&P: Russia's rating now CCC-

terr · Mar 4, 2022

M.W. said:
And that's where our differences lie. I don't judge ordinary law abiding Russians around the world as cancerous cells.

No they are not. The rogue pariah state of Russia is.

M.W. · Mar 4, 2022

Lol, so cute yet so clueless. Great justification of civil assault. Anyway, thanks for the exchange. Debate and discourse are important in this time.

terr said:
Huh? If you're a law-abiding Westerner not of Russian extraction and you have a Google Play or Apple App account linked to a Russian bank account you would be locked as well. So? It is not a sanction against you, it is against the bank. Get yourself a bank account not linked to a rogue pariah state.

terr · Mar 4, 2022

M.W. said:
Lol, so cute yet so clueless. Great justification of civil assault. Anyway, thanks for the exchange. Debate and discourse are important in this time.

You have an account in a bank that is supporting and financing a rogue pariah state. The bank is sanctioned. "Help, help, I'm being repressed!"

TheDawn · Mar 4, 2022

M.W. said:
You can't engage on the battlefield, not in the home turf of a nuclear power. That is precisely why the west is out of any options. They can't find a suitable solution. Not as long as China fully supports the Russian government.

Yeah and you watch, very soon Asians are going to be attacked again because China supports Russia on this invasion, even the ones who won medals for United States during the Winter Olympics. LOL I hope Nathan Chan is getting extra security as we speak. He is hated by the Chinese for winning the gold medal for United States and with this China's support of war, he's about to be hated also in America even though he is born and raised American. They don't dare to touch actual Russians but they will pick on Asians still.

People are just such idiots. And now country leaders are turning to civilians to fight a war for them.

TheDawn · Mar 4, 2022

M.W. said:
I abhor those type of sanctions as much as you do. And the vilification of an entire race. We are on the same page on this. My point was that the west does currently not have any military options at all. Rather than admitting that and looking for negotiations to find solutions they cowardly instruct corporates and social justice warriors to promote hatred towards an entire race hoping this will make ordinary Russians put pressure on Putin. It won't work.

Honestly if China is the one that's supporting Russia, in addition to sanctioning Russia, US should start sanctioning China and its state corporations that are government and/or military-owned and operated or at least establish trade embargoes. I think this will be more effective than seizing some people's yachts that are not being used anyway. LOL

China is the second-largest economy in the world. By taking out this ATM machine for Russia, you achieve two goals in one shot. 1) You get rid of the support for Russia to persuade Putin to stop the invasion and 2) you weaken China at the same time so it won't or at least make it less able to invade Taiwan.

M.W. · Mar 4, 2022

Of course but we all know why this won't happen (unless China invaded Taiwan perhaps). Western consumers are hooked to Chinese products. Not by choice. The US will do nothing against China that might hurt the supply chain and shipments of plastic dildos and cheap furniture to the US. And that's the hypocrisy at its best display: it's never about doing the "right" thing for leaders, it's about doing the thing that gains the most votes.

TheDawn said:
Honestly if China is the one that's supporting Russia, in addition to sanctioning Russia, US should start sanctioning China and its state corporations that are government and/or military-owned and operated or at least establish trade embargoes. I think this will be more effective in seizing some people's yachts that are not being used anyway. LOL

China is the second-largest economy in the world. By taking out this ATM machine for Russia, you achieve two goals at once. 1) You get rid of the support for Russia to persuade Putin to stop the invasion and 2) you weaken China at the same time so it won't or at least make it less able to invade Taiwan.

TheDawn · Mar 4, 2022

M.W. said:
Of course but we all know why this won't happen (unless China invaded Taiwan perhaps). Western consumers are hooked to Chinese products. Not by choice. But because corporates in their infinite greed were allowed to source and manufacture in China, always as cheap as possible for maximum profit. Because we were brainwashed to NEVER question shareholders and financiers. Because pure capitalism is the only tolerated form of life for some. And in this capitalist world corporates can do anything. The US will do nothing against China that might hurt the supply chain and shipments of plastic dildos and cheap furniture to the US.

Look at Elon Musk. And Harley Davidson?? Harley Davidson, the good old American company that produces bikes for the hardiest gung-ho Americans, has plants in China. LOL

Well the West can at least cease to trade with China because of China's support of Russia's invasion efforts. If they can find excuses of seizing people's yachts, it can find excuses to do trade embargoes on China. It's Biden we are talking about. It doesn't know how to fight a war or do anything else, but it does have the entire media in its pocket for propaganda.

M.W. · Mar 4, 2022

They will not embargo China. Because their voters who live on a shoestring budget, deep in debt to the hilt, depend on Chinese products for their daily life. Midterms coming up, votes is all that occupies Biden, nothing else. They would never ever sanction Russia if Russia was the one supplying all the lemmings with cheap goodies. Hypocrisy.

TheDawn said:
Look at Elon Musk. And Harley Davidson?? Harley Davidson, the good old American company that produces bikes for the hardiest gung-ho Americans, has plants in China. LOL

Well the West can at least cease to trade with China because of China's support of Russia's invasion efforts. If they can find excuses of seizing people's yachts, it can find excuses to do trade embargoes on China. It's Biden we are talking about. It doesn't know how to fight a war or do anything else, but it does have the entire media in its pocket for propaganda.

TheDawn · Mar 4, 2022

M.W. said:
They will not embargo China. Because their voters who live on a shoestring budget, deep in debt to the hilt, depend on Chinese products for their daily life. Midterms coming up, votes is all that occupies Biden, nothing else. They would never ever sanction Russia if Russia was the one supplying all the lemmings with cheap goodies. Hypocrisy.

Well not just that but also because Biden himself has family business ties in China. https://nypost.com/2021/11/28/chine...r-biden-with-3-carat-gem-offer-of-30-million/ Perhaps that's the biggest reason?? Yeah it's hard for you to put trade embargoes on a country that your family does business in, isn't it? Can't believe that company executives have to resign due to conflict of interest, judges have to recuse themselves if found to have biased interest and yet a politician with blatant businesses in another country that doesn't share our values and what happens? He gets elected. LOL

So I wouldn't blame on the consumers who have no choice but to buy cheap imports.

Pekelo · Mar 4, 2022

Holy fuck, the maturity of this poster...

TheDawn said:
You go in and arrest him and prosecute him as a war criminal in a war crimes trial, the same as you did for Saddam Hussein, Slobodan Milosovich, Mohammed Morsi,

Why are we doing different? Because Saddam and Slobodan didn't have motherfucking NUKES.

Even without nukes, the American public doesn't like casualties, so why should American sons die for Ukraine's freedom? Freedom isn't free my friend.

The same reason we are not saving the North Koreans from their dictator...