Russia & Ukraine

gwb-trading said:
Yep... the NY Times was fed Russian propaganda and failed in their own investigation. Ukraine has no Buk air defense systems in service (western air defense systems are much better) and the Russians have been converting Buk missiles to target Ukrainian cities for many months (since they are nearly useless for air defense).

Ukrainska Pravda sources refute NYT claim that Kostiantynivka strike was "tragic mishap": Ukrainian ground forces have no Buk air defence systems in service
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/19/7420435/



Clearly an investigation is still open. However this could not a Buk missile as claiming by the NY Times -- it would have to be some other type of air defense missile.

It should be noted that if Russian was not launching missiles at civilians in Ukrainian cities then it would not be necessary to launch air defense missiles. These type of potential tragedies could be avoided if the war criminal Russians stopped deliberately attacking civilians in Ukraine.
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LOL
Ukraine doesn' have Buk
Terorrists refute claim they are terrorists

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    Ukraine[151] – 72 9K37M1 as of 2016.[152] Modernisation of stored systems to Buk M1-2 standard planned.[153]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system


Buk with US missiles
The ingenuity of US and Ukrainian engineers now does not stop at fighter aircraft: the Ukrainian 9K37M Buk-M1 (SA-11 Gadfly) anti-aircraft systems (of Soviet origin) will now be able to fire US RIM-7 Sea Sparrow anti-aircraft missiles. The announcement of the delivery of these missiles was announced on January 6 by the Pentagon

https://aircosmosinternational.com/...rainian-soviet-era-anti-aircraft-systems-3461
 
kashirin said:
LOL
Ukraine doesn' have Buk
Terorrists refute claim they are terrorists

  • 23px-Flag_of_Ukraine.svg.png
    Ukraine[151] – 72 9K37M1 as of 2016.[152] Modernisation of stored systems to Buk M1-2 standard planned.[153]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system


Buk with US missiles
The ingenuity of US and Ukrainian engineers now does not stop at fighter aircraft: the Ukrainian 9K37M Buk-M1 (SA-11 Gadfly) anti-aircraft systems (of Soviet origin) will now be able to fire US RIM-7 Sea Sparrow anti-aircraft missiles. The announcement of the delivery of these missiles was announced on January 6 by the Pentagon

https://aircosmosinternational.com/...rainian-soviet-era-anti-aircraft-systems-3461
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So as you outlined — not a BUK missile which are no longer being used by Ukraine. The NY Times reported the missile which struck was a BUK not a western Sea Sparrow.
 
gwb-trading said:
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy addresses United Nations General Assembly
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Zelenskyy discussed how common efforts and unity can prevent wars. He reiterated that Ukraine gave up the world's third largest nuclear arsenal in exchange for guarantees that Russia ultimately violated and that Russia deserves disarmament.

Zelenskyy says Russia missile attacks have world wide impact because of disruption of food supplies. The camera panned on the Russian representative who was shifting, seemingly uncomfortably, in this seat.

Energy weaponization by Russia involving crude, nuclear power trade, and the occupation of a Ukrainian nuclear power plant was mentioned and that global security response is ineffective against radiation.

Zelenskyy said they have names of tens of thousands of children abducted by Russia, but the total number is likely in the 100s of thousands. Children abducted are taught to hate Ukraine, Zelenskyy stated.

Each decade Russia launches a new attack on one of their neighbors for the purpose of disrupting world law and order with outcomes, such as completely destroyed cities by Russian artillery, looking like they were hit by a nuclear weapon.

Zelenskyy then discussed, somewhat awkwardly relative to earlier, the threat of climate change in detail, risking political polarization and potential depth of cooperation of certain countries and political leaders. I wonder where Zelenskyy's climate change narrative originated from?

Zelenskyy said that evil can never be trusted and said he was aware of "shady side deals" being made. Was this in reference to possible leadership changes in the US for 2024 or elsewhere?

Zelenskyy finished up discussing how unity will prevent the "Final war" and mentioned his "Formula for peace", to be discussed tomorrow.

Overall, Zelenskyy gave an effective presentation, although diminished somewhat by his apparent partisan nod to Biden Administration narratives, although other country leaderships see climate change as an imperative. One is best to stay politically neutral when asking for nearly universal support, in my opinion.
 
kashirin said:
I and Master Pu were recently recalled to Wagner headquarters.

Our teamleader said it's hard to justify full time wage for 2 people for posting on forum with 5 regulars and 80% of content generated by just one geriatric imbecile

So Master Pu was fired and I get just a quarter of my previous wage
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More nations than ever are demanding that Russia be held accountable for war crimes. Those who push Russian propaganda are likely to suffer the same fate at Putin.

Russian tribunal in Hague: 32 countries speak in favour of Ukraine on third day of hearings
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/20/7420653/
 
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