Russia & Ukraine

Putin's new plan --- keep striking Ukraine infrastructure with missiles so that most of Ukraine is left without electricity and water -- thereby forcing 20 million Ukrainians to flee to the west thus allowing Russia to take it over.

Team Putin Threatens Maniacal Response to Bitter War Losses
Vladimir Putin’s mouthpieces are threatening to unleash “real hell” after a slew of staggering failures in the war.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russi...ed-earth-response-to-bitter-losses-in-ukraine

The humiliating defeats of Russia’s Armed Forces in Ukraine are prompting the Kremlin’s mouthpieces to propose increasingly violent tactics. Lobbying for a “scorched earth” policy on state television, Russian pundits and expert guests have been openly comparing the Ukrainian battleground to Chechnya, Syria, and even the infamous Beslan school massacre, where Russian special forces killed many hostages along with their terrorist captors.

Appearing on Wednesday’s broadcast of the state TV show 60 Minutes, military expert Igor Korotchenko said: “This is a new reality, which is why we should be acting quickly, harshly and uncompromisingly. First of all, we need to scale up our strikes against critical infrastructure in such a way that one region after the next, one district after another, Ukraine is plunged into darkness... By December, 20 million residents of Ukraine should flee to the West, to the European Union. This is our goal and the task we should accomplish.”

Korotchenko proposed: “Perhaps we should openly declare: ‘Leave. Zelensky is turning this territory into a real hell. No one knows what will happen here next. Twenty million, go to Europe.’ After that, we sink region after region into darkness. This is our enemy nation, the modern Third Reich, and we should act accordingly.”

Similar proposals permeated Russian airwaves, with experts arguing that the rules of the civilized world prohibiting war crimes are merely recommendations, compliance with which is optional. On Monday, appearing on The Evening With Vladimir Solovyov, Andrey Sidorov, deputy dean of world politics at the Moscow State University, explained why those international conventions are irrelevant: “The rules of war, according to international conventions, are of an advisory nature: not to strike [certain objects], if possible. But it’s no longer possible.”

Appearing on the show The Meeting Place on Monday, Bogdan Bezpalko, member of the Council for Interethnic Relations under the President of the Russian Federation, argued: “As far as what needs to be done, as I previously said, we need to strike the infrastructure—which can’t be separated into military and civilian. If all of Ukraine is plunged into cold and darkness, if they have no fuel, reserve armies won’t help them and no one will be able to deliver equipment or ammunition... These strikes should go on for two, three, five or six months in a row, leaving not one gas station intact.”

Konstantin Zatulin, deputy chairman of the committee of the State Duma for the CIS, said on 60 Minutes: “This military operation—or this war—is entering another phase... The idea that we could achieve a victory with little blood or one massive strike is now in the past... Last week, there was a widespread message—everywhere, except for our television— that this is no time to celebrate, while we’re experiencing difficulties and failures at the battlefront, while we’re retreating... We are pondering what they will do. We need to overcome that... because victory is our only option.”

Host Olga Skabeeva cautioned: “Don’t scare our people prematurely, as I understand you’re talking about the possibility of mobilization.” Even the most gung-ho propagandists admit that the Russian society would be deeply unsettled at the thought of total military mobilization, and that the country’s economy is not currently equipped for such a step. The only alternative proposed by the state TV’s talking heads is inflicting utter devastation upon Ukraine.

Professor Alexei Fenenko, leading research fellow at the Institute of International Security Studies, attempted to lay the blame for Russia’s increasing brutality upon the United States. With images of the city of Mosul in ruins playing on the screen, Fenenko claimed: “After February 24, they waited for us to do this to key cities in Ukraine. Then they would have said, ‘Yes, those guys are strong.’” Without a hint of self-awareness, Skabeeva noted that the bodies of the dead were left on the streets of Mosul, to decay in plain sight. Fenenko noted that this gesture was meant as a message to other enemies.

Neither Skabeeva nor Fenenko made any mention of the horrific scenes in Ukraine that unfolded in recent months, when the retreating Russian troops left multiple corpses of Ukrainian civilians on the streets of Bucha, and scores of massacred civilians in other towns and cities.

Fenenko argued that in order to be respected by the United States, Russia has to reduce much of Ukraine to rubble. He said that America respects only those who can inflict devastating damage upon their adversaries: “Either you can do this to your enemies, or else you’re a nobody. If you can’t do it, you’re a coward and a loser.”
The west should really put their foot down on infra targeting (knock down every missile):
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Putin's new plan --- keep striking Ukraine infrastructure with missiles so that most of Ukraine is left without electricity and water -- thereby forcing 20 million Ukrainians to flee to the west thus allowing Russia to take it over.

Team Putin Threatens Maniacal Response to Bitter War Losses
Vladimir Putin’s mouthpieces are threatening to unleash “real hell” after a slew of staggering failures in the war.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russi...ed-earth-response-to-bitter-losses-in-ukraine

The humiliating defeats of Russia’s Armed Forces in Ukraine are prompting the Kremlin’s mouthpieces to propose increasingly violent tactics. Lobbying for a “scorched earth” policy on state television, Russian pundits and expert guests have been openly comparing the Ukrainian battleground to Chechnya, Syria, and even the infamous Beslan school massacre, where Russian special forces killed many hostages along with their terrorist captors.

Appearing on Wednesday’s broadcast of the state TV show 60 Minutes, military expert Igor Korotchenko said: “This is a new reality, which is why we should be acting quickly, harshly and uncompromisingly. First of all, we need to scale up our strikes against critical infrastructure in such a way that one region after the next, one district after another, Ukraine is plunged into darkness... By December, 20 million residents of Ukraine should flee to the West, to the European Union. This is our goal and the task we should accomplish.”

Korotchenko proposed: “Perhaps we should openly declare: ‘Leave. Zelensky is turning this territory into a real hell. No one knows what will happen here next. Twenty million, go to Europe.’ After that, we sink region after region into darkness. This is our enemy nation, the modern Third Reich, and we should act accordingly.”

Similar proposals permeated Russian airwaves, with experts arguing that the rules of the civilized world prohibiting war crimes are merely recommendations, compliance with which is optional. On Monday, appearing on The Evening With Vladimir Solovyov, Andrey Sidorov, deputy dean of world politics at the Moscow State University, explained why those international conventions are irrelevant: “The rules of war, according to international conventions, are of an advisory nature: not to strike [certain objects], if possible. But it’s no longer possible.”

Appearing on the show The Meeting Place on Monday, Bogdan Bezpalko, member of the Council for Interethnic Relations under the President of the Russian Federation, argued: “As far as what needs to be done, as I previously said, we need to strike the infrastructure—which can’t be separated into military and civilian. If all of Ukraine is plunged into cold and darkness, if they have no fuel, reserve armies won’t help them and no one will be able to deliver equipment or ammunition... These strikes should go on for two, three, five or six months in a row, leaving not one gas station intact.”

Konstantin Zatulin, deputy chairman of the committee of the State Duma for the CIS, said on 60 Minutes: “This military operation—or this war—is entering another phase... The idea that we could achieve a victory with little blood or one massive strike is now in the past... Last week, there was a widespread message—everywhere, except for our television— that this is no time to celebrate, while we’re experiencing difficulties and failures at the battlefront, while we’re retreating... We are pondering what they will do. We need to overcome that... because victory is our only option.”

Host Olga Skabeeva cautioned: “Don’t scare our people prematurely, as I understand you’re talking about the possibility of mobilization.” Even the most gung-ho propagandists admit that the Russian society would be deeply unsettled at the thought of total military mobilization, and that the country’s economy is not currently equipped for such a step. The only alternative proposed by the state TV’s talking heads is inflicting utter devastation upon Ukraine.

Professor Alexei Fenenko, leading research fellow at the Institute of International Security Studies, attempted to lay the blame for Russia’s increasing brutality upon the United States. With images of the city of Mosul in ruins playing on the screen, Fenenko claimed: “After February 24, they waited for us to do this to key cities in Ukraine. Then they would have said, ‘Yes, those guys are strong.’” Without a hint of self-awareness, Skabeeva noted that the bodies of the dead were left on the streets of Mosul, to decay in plain sight. Fenenko noted that this gesture was meant as a message to other enemies.

Neither Skabeeva nor Fenenko made any mention of the horrific scenes in Ukraine that unfolded in recent months, when the retreating Russian troops left multiple corpses of Ukrainian civilians on the streets of Bucha, and scores of massacred civilians in other towns and cities.

Fenenko argued that in order to be respected by the United States, Russia has to reduce much of Ukraine to rubble. He said that America respects only those who can inflict devastating damage upon their adversaries: “Either you can do this to your enemies, or else you’re a nobody. If you can’t do it, you’re a coward and a loser.”

A lot of scary talk there on state tv but you notice that they do not know how to solve the troop problem. And even they are scoffing at mobilization as being highly problematic.

So, as discussed many times, they have no plan other than to use missiles to reduce civilian populations and infrastructure to a parking lot in New Jersey- which only causes the U.S. to keep giving the Ukrainians longer and longer range missiles.

They have a troop problem. If they don't fix it, they will be bombing more and more shopping centers and that is ugly- but in the meantime Ukrainian troops will keep advancing.

Also, don't think for a minute that there are not Russians who are beginning to think: "Man, our great army turned out to be a complete fucking dud. Now I am wondering how good our nuclear capability actually is." I mean no one doubts that Russia has sufficient nuclear ability to do very draconian stuff, but they have also been led to believe that that Russia would eventually prevail. Don't be so sure about that. The state tv clowns made a case that the U.S. only values power and destruction so they are actually making the case that the U.S. would strike Moscow and any other place as needed. Not necessarily true but the gave the regular Moscow folks plenty of reason to wonder about how good their nuclear capability is. Let em fucking worry about it. Asswipes.
 
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A lot of scary talk there on state tv but you notice that they do not know how to solve the troop problem. And even they are scoffing at mobilization as being highly problematic.

So, as discussed many times, they have no plan other than to use missiles to reduce civilian populations and infrastructure to a parking lot in New Jersey- which only causes the U.S. to keep giving the Ukrainians longer and longer range missiles.

They have a troop problem. If they don't fix it, they will be bombing more and more shopping centers and that is ugly, in the meantime Ukrainian troops will keep advancing.

Yeah... when the only plan you have left -- is to lob missiles across the border to terrorize civilians and destroy infrastructure --- then effectively you have no plan. And Russia has no plan --- they are out of trained combat troops for the near term and have no realistic offensive capability in Ukraine. If they attempt to transfer troops from remote regions (which they only have left in small numbers) it only improves the likelihood of these regions breaking away from Russia because there are no troops locally to stop them.

The only fear --- does Putin escalate to sending missiles with chemical or nuclear weapons next? Of course, while trying to blame Ukraine for it -- but at this point nearly no one outside of Russia is believing their propaganda.
 
Yeah... when the only plan you have left -- is to lob missiles across the border to terrorize civilians and destroy infrastructure --- then effectively you have no plan. And Russia has no plan --- they are out of trained combat troops for the near term and have no realistic offensive capability in Ukraine. If they attempt to transfer troops from remote regions (which they only have left in small numbers) it only improves the likelihood of these regions breaking away from Russia because there are no troops locally to stop them.

The only fear --- does Putin escalate to sending missiles with chemical or nuclear weapons next? Of course, while trying to blame Ukraine for it -- but at this point nearly no one outside of Russia is believing their propaganda.

There is zero doubt in my mind that the Ruskies- if left to themselves- will shell and destroy Chernobyl to create a disaster. The only thing that will stop them is if the Americans make it crystal clear that if the plant is under direct threat that they and the Europeans will create a protective zone around it- so if you don't want fucking troops on the ground there Ivan, don't do it. Otherwise there will be an intervention and eventually a NATO base at Kherson. Do you want a NATO base at Kherson, Putin? Because this is the type of thing you do to create one.
 
The only fear --- does Putin escalate to sending missiles with chemical or nuclear weapons next? Of course, while trying to blame Ukraine for it -- but at this point nearly no one outside of Russia is believing their propaganda.

Just like the fact that EU and USA were sure Putin would not invade Ukraine....
Nobody outside Russia did believe that too.
That mistake is costing probably hundred thousands of dead Ukrainians, and a few hundred billion dollars of destroyed infrastructure in Ukraine. That could have been reduced massively if Ukraine would have been part of NATO.
 
Just like the fact that EU and USA were sure Putin would not invade Ukraine....
Nobody outside Russia did believe that too.
That mistake is costing probably hundred thousands of dead Ukrainians, and a few hundred billion dollars of destroyed infrastructure in Ukraine. That could have been reduced massively if Ukraine would have been part of NATO.

I agree that it is hard to tell to what level Putin will escalate next, now that he is backed into a corner by his failures.

 

It is time for NATO to make it clear that we will not accept nuclear or chemical escalation in Ukraine. Doing so will result in an immediate response. Nor should we accept Russia destroying nuclear plants to inflict radiation on Ukraine & Europe.

Moscow could be pushed toward 'nuclear escalation' if the US overreacts to Russia's disastrous invasion of Ukraine, new report warns
https://news.yahoo.com/moscow-could-pushed-toward-nuclear-140000946.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
 
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