Russia & Ukraine

Master Pu said:
Russia would never have allowed NATO’s presence in Ukraine
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It is not Russia's business. Ukraine is a sovereign country and what alliances it has is its business and not Russia's. That is the definition of sovereignty.
Master Pu said:
Roll on expansion of a hypothetical Chinese and Russian military alliance in Mexico to help Mexicans defend themselves from any possible aggression from the US. Just imagine what the US would do.
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US would make it (and does make it) worth Mexico's while not to do that. It would definitely not invade Mexico and murder thousands of its citizens. You are full of crap.
 
terr said:
It is not Russia's business. Ukraine is a sovereign country and what alliances it has is its business and not Russia's. That is the definition of sovereignty.
US would make it (and does make it) worth Mexico's while not to do that. It would definitely not invade Mexico and murder thousands of its citizens. You are full of crap.
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What is the difference between a civilian Mexican and an Iraqi? Come on terr, enlighten us. I smell bullshit, oh hold on, it's just terr educating us.

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Master Pu said:
What is the difference between a civilian Mexican and an Iraqi? Come on terr, enlighten us. I smell bullshit, oh hold on, it's just terr educating us.

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Shall we next consider the number Soviet citizens killed by Joseph Stalin between 1931 and 1934, including the 3.9 Million Ukrainians who died from starvation?

Probably we should not. Present reality should be our first consideration.
 
piezoe said:
Shall we next consider the number Soviet citizens killed by Joseph Stalin between 1931 and 1934, including the 3.9 Million Ukrainians who died from starvation?

Probably we should not. Present reality should be our first consideration.
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Look, Stalin was one of the worst cunts that existed on this planet, I will give you that one. Now that is settled, let us get back to the ever so uncomfortable question to terr, why are you such a hypocrite? You blame Russians for the same things that your army has committed in another country not that long ago which resulted in a great deal more deaths than the current civilian death toll in Ukraine.
 
Master Pu said:
Do you condemn actions of the US in Iraq that lead to a civilian death toll far greater than the current one over in Ukraine? It’s not whataboutism, it is exposure of hypocrisy.
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Here you are again acting as Putin's propaganda mouthpiece and pushing continual whataboutism.

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Master Pu said:
What is the difference between a civilian Mexican and an Iraqi? Come on terr, enlighten us. I smell bullshit, oh hold on, it's just terr educating us.
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It was not US that invaded Iraq. It was a coalition of US, UK, Australia and Poland. It was preceded by Iraq invasion of Kuwait, followed by UN condemnation of Iraq, followed by the Gulf war, followed by UN SC resolutions against Iraq followed by UN inspectors followed by UN inspectors being kicked out by Iraq. If you find ANY parallel to that with Ukraine (like Ukraine invading a neighbor or having UN resolutions against it or kicking UN inspectors out, etc.) - you're welcome to do that. Otherwise - no, no comparison.
 
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