Russia & Ukraine

CaptainObvious said:
Yes, they can win a limited war confined to the region. They launch, who responds? To what level? Nope, Putin blasts a couple cities off the map everyone will gasp, cry foul and then sit down and negotiate a treaty. I expect a limited launch within 30 days.
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When they drop make sure the wind is not blowing East
 
CaptainObvious said:
Yes, they can win a limited war confined to the region. They launch, who responds? To what level? Nope, Putin blasts a couple cities off the map everyone will gasp, cry foul and then sit down and negotiate a treaty. I expect a limited launch within 30 days.
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I think that would be the mindset of Putin.

What complicates things a bit these days for him, is that the Chinese do not want a nuke war. They have a lot to lose and do not necessarily share Putin's desire to go full Armegeddon just to cap off his legacy and to restore Russian glory, whatever that is. The Chinese support Putin in public but they are plenty pissed at him because he has given invading and annexing old territory a bad name and a very bad look. The Chinese definitely do not want Taiwan back looking like Aleppo- although Putin is fine with that and already three quarters of the way there.

Yes, if left to himself, Put would lop a tactical nuke into the sea or out in the countryside just to get people's attention. I don't know think the Chinese would allow that though and if Putin did it, well, it's Russia and North Korea against the world then. The Chinese just want Putin to advance their belt and road initiative in the region and to control al the Uyghars in the central asian republics that are beginning to gang up on China. He doesnt want to buy into every problem that goes with Putin.

What a mess.
 
CaptainObvious said:
Yes, they can win a limited war confined to the region. They launch, who responds? To what level? Nope, Putin blasts a couple cities off the map everyone will gasp, cry foul and then sit down and negotiate a treaty. I expect a limited launch within 30 days.
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A lot of the response plans will be automatic. I’d imagine we would try to knock the Russian nuclear missile out first of all but there would be zero doubt in mind that if a Russian nuke did reach a nato target that we would respond immediately and overwhelmingly with some kind of combo cyber and nuclear attack, and whatever else we have up our sleeve in the event of that circumstance.
 
UsualName said:
A lot of the response plans will be automatic. I’d imagine we would try to knock the Russian nuclear missile out first of all but there would be zero doubt in mind that if a Russian nuke did reach a nato target that we would respond immediately and overwhelmingly with some kind of combo cyber and nuclear attack, and whatever else we have up our sleeve in the event of that circumstance.
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Yes, and then the world would be a wonderful place for the next 20,000 years or so.
 
UsualName said:
A lot of the response plans will be automatic. I’d imagine we would try to knock the Russian nuclear missile out first of all but there would be zero doubt in mind that if a Russian nuke did reach a nato target that we would respond immediately and overwhelmingly with some kind of combo cyber and nuclear attack, and whatever else we have up our sleeve in the event of that circumstance.
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Not a chance in hell of that. To save Ukraine? No how, no way. If it would expand throughout europe, which it could, then yes, the entire world goes to hell. No winners, only losers, and the lucky ones die in the intial days.
 
NATO: 7,000 to 15,000 Russian troops dead in Ukraine
https://apnews.com/article/russia-u...-europe-nato-e35e54b40359e52f3ffd4911577b669a

NATO estimated on Wednesday that 7,000 to 15,000 Russian soldiers have been killed in four weeks of war in Ukraine, where fierce fighting by the country’s fast-moving defenders has denied Moscow the lightning victory it sought.

By way of comparison, Russia lost about 15,000 troops in Afghanistan over 10 years.

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Madeline Albright passed away today. It is apropos to recall she was the first US official to meet with Putin as he was acting president of Russia. Her take on him was “So cold to be almost reptilian.”
 
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