Russia & Ukraine

Then we fundamentally disagree. We should be in pursuit of the truth first and foremost always and everywhere. Not first and foremost life. Even the life of the individual is not worth more than the truth. Because when we water down truth and justify the truth for the preservation of Iives we can as well go packing as humanity. Our current lives reflect this. What's the point of living and trying to survive day by day when those who are supposedly put in power to be our civil servants actually abuse the rules, cheat, lie, apply nepotism, create their own laws and completely pervert the truth? It's turning into a shit life for the grand majority. That is why justicia is blindfolded. To not apply the law depending on the life of the individual but in total and utter pursuit of the truth.

UsualName said:
This does not account for the way people live and in this case die. But here we have stumbled upon a great ethical dilemma spanning from Plato to Kant.

I am all about a higher morality and there is no higher value than life or the pursuit of the preservation of life. Or at least that is my opinion. Great minds have disagreed so I doubt we will find agreement here on this forum. What I will say is I certainly condemn Russian lies and false justifications for invading Ukraine and I do not pass judgment on the Ukrainians for using everything at their disposal to defend themselves.
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UsualName said:
This does not account for the way people live and in this case die. But here we have stumbled upon a great ethical dilemma spanning from Plato to Kant.

I am all about a higher morality and there is no higher value than life or the pursuit of the preservation of life. Or at least that is my opinion. Great minds have disagreed so I doubt we will find agreement here on this forum. What I will say is I certainly condemn Russian lies and false justifications for invading Ukraine and I do not pass judgment on the Ukrainians for using everything at their disposal to defend themselves.
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I actually agree with almost all of this. I, too, believe that the pursuit of the preservation of life to be one of the highest values to hold. But lies are lies. What if, in an extreme circumstance, a Ukrainian lie caused a neighboring country to respond militarily in a way that deepened the war? They attack Russian citizens/military and the Russians respond to attack their civilians and military. More lives lost, over lies.

Truth is of paramount importance in all circumstances. Its not like Ukrainian lies only have the potential to hurt their attackers.
 
M.W. said:
And it's not to rid Ukraine of Nazis whatever some underlings said.
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Arguably that "underling" would be Vladimir Putin who stated in his speech to his nation to explain why he was doing "a special military action" in Ukraine:

"Your fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers did not fight the Nazi occupiers and did not defend our common Motherland to allow today’s neo-Nazis to seize power in Ukraine."
 
M.W. said:
You have gone full blown paranoid, that's all there is. If you gave others the benefit of the doubt and could accept others having differing opinions then you would actually benefit.

As long as China stands united with Russia the conflict will last and supplies will continue flowing...thats my read of the trade data
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Please tell me more Mr. March join date
 
Cuddles said:
Please tell me more Mr. March join date
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You might want to note that the person you are calling out for having a March join date is responding to someone with a February join date (who you are fine with).

But you're not one for thinking your way out of a paper bag, so...
 
M.W. said:
You suggested it's not clear why Russia invaded. Russia invaded with a very clearly articulated reason. And it's not to rid Ukraine of Nazis whatever some underlings said. Putin always made clear that Ukraine joining the EU or Nato is a line crossed that cannot be tolerated. Same as with the US that clearly stated it won't allow Russia to infiltrate Cuba right across the US sovereign territory. Love it or loath it but that's not false pretense. That's a very clear articulation of what Russia can accept and what it cannot accept.

What I disagree with you is dumbing this down as if it's not a very complicated geopolitical conflict with wide ranging ramifications.
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Except we have Putin on tape going full Stalin prior to the invasion and downplaying his own narrative, all of NATO telling UA they're not welcome, and UA basically admitting they won't join NATO. Go sell that garbage on the fox news comment section, you'll have some takers
 
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