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gwb-trading said:
The Covid data is very clear -- Go read the KFF and CDC data on Covid vaccinated breakthrough rate. It is the largest publicly available dataset on the face of the earth in terms of the millions of people covered.

Once again -- here is the KFF chart by state as a starting point.

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https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/

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There's a shitload of data out there - starting with Israel - that is very different. Very. Different. Just ONE example. There are many, many others.

Of 514 patients in Israel hospitalized with COVID-19 as of Aug. 15, 59 percent were fully vaccinated, according to an Aug. 16 article from Science that cited national data tracked by Israel's largest health management organization. The figures suggest breakthrough infections may be more common than the term implies, the report suggests.
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That's a hell of a lot higher than .56%. And that's only the ones that were hospitalized!


Israeli doctors find severe COVID-19 breakthrough cases mostly in older, sicker patients




Israel's COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Cases Exceed 50%


hmm...50% - .056% = ??
 
INSKEEP: Well, let's talk about that. Are some of these infections breakthrough infections with people who are vaccinated?

SCHMITZ: Yeah. There are quite a few. You know, according to health authorities, nearly 2 of every 3 new infections this autumn among those over 60 in Germany have been breakthrough infections among those who have been already vaccinated. It's already - it's important to note here that two-thirds of all Germans are fully vaccinated. Yet we are still seeing the spike.
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The WHO says COVID cases in Europe have risen steadily over the past 5 weeks

 
Tsing Tao said:
INSKEEP: Well, let's talk about that. Are some of these infections breakthrough infections with people who are vaccinated?

SCHMITZ: Yeah. There are quite a few. You know, according to health authorities, nearly 2 of every 3 new infections this autumn among those over 60 in Germany have been breakthrough infections among those who have been already vaccinated. It's already - it's important to note here that two-thirds of all Germans are fully vaccinated. Yet we are still seeing the spike.
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Yes.... so tell us how many fully vaccinated cases does Germany have and how many vaccinated people does Germany have. Divide the first number by the second and you get the vaccinated breakthrough rate in Germany.
 
gwb-trading said:
Yes.... so tell us how many fully vaccinated cases does Germany have and how many vaccinated people does Germany have. Divide the first number by the second and you get the vaccinated breakthrough rate in Germany.
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"Go read" the article I just posted!
 
gwb-trading said:
Your article provides no information about the Covid vaccinated breakthrough rate in Germany.
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NPR's Berlin correspondent Rob Schmitz is claiming the health authorities say 2 out of 3 of vaccinated over 60 are breakthrough cases. Its right there in the quote.

I know NPR isn't a reputable source like BlogMickey, but its still a trusted name.
 
Tsing Tao said:
NPR's Berlin correspondent Rob Schmitz is claiming the health authorities say 2 out of 3 of vaccinated over 60 are breakthrough cases. Its right there in the quote.

I know NPR isn't a reputable source like BlogMickey, but its still a trusted name.
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That says nothing about the vaccinated breakthrough rate which is based on the number of cases from the fully vaccinated population.

Keep in mind the concept of base rate fallacy. And the reality if you have a country that is fully vaccinated then you would expect the ratio of vaccinated to unvaccinated cases to be increasing as vaccinations rise.
 
Tsing Tao said:
In Canada, breakthrough rate. but with GWB, it's only .56%!

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
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You do understand that 100 cases per 100,000 people is a vaccinated breakthrough rate of a mere 0.1%, eh?

Of course -- all of this information needs to be taken in context of base rate fallacy since Canada is highly vaccinated and at this point you would expect to see more vaccinated cases than unvaccinated. Still interesting to note the majority of Covid patients in ICU in Canada are unvaccinated.
 
gwb-trading said:
You do understand that 100 cases per 100,000 people is a vaccinated breakthrough rate of a mere 0.1%, eh?

Of course -- all of this information needs to be taken in context of base rate fallacy since Canada is highly vaccinated and at this point you would expect to see more vaccinated cases than unvaccinated. Still interesting to note the majority of Covid patients in ICU in Canada are unvaccinated.
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That's only the reported cases, and the trend is quite clearly up.
 
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