Ron Howard's explination of what is a US Liberal

Amun Ra said:
America already does this. All republicans agree that we should take care of our weakest members only we go one step further and wish to protect the unborn. Something liberals don't agree with.



Lets say for a minute that healthcare was a right. Does this mean you think that the government should pay for our rights? Will the government buy me a gun, because we have the right to bare arms? Will the government pay for me to start my own newspaper(freedom of the press)? This is a common deceptive tactic of the left. Call something a "right" like healthcare, but what they really mean is the right to take money from someone else to pay for it.



It's 2020. All human knowledge is easily and cheaply reached on the internet. There is nothing that is taught at a university that can't be googled.



This entire paragraph contradicted itself.



This sentence is way too simplistic in its thinking. People that think this way are almost NEVER paying any federal income tax.



Companies pay the fair market rate to their employees. If there are 100,000 labor jobs and 200,000 people willing to work those jobs, the wages are going to be low. If there are 100,000 labor jobs and 50,000 workers to fill those jobs, the wages will be high. If you want to earn more, do something that is in demand.



What scripture did some politician try to legislate into law? Thou shall not kills? Thou shall not steal?



They did have the SAME rights as us before gay marriage. They were allowed to marry someone of the opposite sex, just like straight couples were allowed and they were not allowed to marry someone of the same sex just like straight couples were not allowed. So these weren't the *same* rights they wanted. They were special rights.



No, you think they should get to break the law and not suffer the consequences. If you steal $10, you should have to pay back $10 when caught to be made whole. If you break an item in the store, you should have to pay for it to make the store owner whole. If you break the law to come here illegally, the way to make the victim whole is to send them back. It's common sense.




Agree mostly with this.



Apparently you haven't read enough because you'd realize the Nazis were about giving free healthcare and disarming the public.



The irony of being against racism and misogyny and in the next sentence saying something racist and misandristic. *shakes head*



There should be no laws with guns. It's in the bill of rights. But your whole statement is a lie when you say "common sense gun regulations". We know what that means. That means coming after the guns YOU find scary.



I believe this too. But I don't think there should be a law punishing people who arent.



This is a big topic to touch on. Obviously, we'd all love it if we could just switch to solar and wind tomorrow and not have any devastating economic effects. But the truth is, when renewable energy is cheaper than dirty energy, we will switch over no matter what.



Can you tell me one job where women who do the same work(and bring the same value) as men don't get paid the same? I said it like that because I know you'll bring up womens soccer. They do the same work, but they don't bring the same value because they don't get the viewership so while it's technically the same work, it's not the same value. But of course theres the other side of the coin too. Like women make 10x more for the same work in porn that men do. It's all about value.
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Well OK, some odd ones there. Mad Men time (final season tonight) so I'll make some notes tomorrow.
 
Can't have a discussion or debate without acknowledging and accepting the obvious. We have no rights. A right means I don't need permission. Who decides? You, me? No, the government decides who gets what and when, up to and including your very right to live. They decide.
 
CaptainObvious said:
Can't have a discussion or debate without acknowledging and accepting the obvious. We have no rights. A right means I don't need permission. Who decides? You, me? No, the government decides who gets what and when, up to and including your very right to live. They decide.
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In a civilized society governed by enlightened leaders, everyone should have certain rights. In a free-for-all, not so much.

I prefer civilized society. You?
 
Frederick Foresight said:
In a civilized society governed by enlightened leaders, everyone should have certain rights. In a free-for-all, not so much.

I prefer civilized society. You?
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It's not a free for all, I am simply acknowledging who is in charge.
We the people have granted the government to make decisions for us in the hope they keep our best interest in mind when making these decisions. That is how a civilized society works. I have no issue with this. The problem is when that government becomes more self serving than public servant and the process of replacing them becomes so corrupted that they are for all practical purposes permanent fixtures rather than elected officials.
 
Back to addressing the OP. Next up immigration. Grade F. Double F, triple F, F to infinity. This really is a useless endeavor at the level of what we think. Doesn't matter if you're for wide open borders or a wall a mile high, they will not fix this. It is the golden goose on the never ending campaign trail to stir up the idiot base for both sides. No point in wasting time telling you what I think other than open borders won't work and neither will a fuckin wall. F as is completely fucked up and fucked up with intent to do so.
 
CaptainObvious said:
It's not a free for all, I am simply acknowledging who is in charge.
We the people have granted the government to make decisions for us in the hope they keep our best interest in mind when making these decisions. That is how a civilized society works. I have no issue with this. The problem is when that government becomes more self serving than public servant and the process of replacing them becomes so corrupted that they are for all practical purposes permanent fixtures rather than elected officials.
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Can things be improved upon? Sure. Did Trump improve anything at all while he was in office? No, not a blessed thing. He destroys anything and everything in his wake. Thus far, he has only been destroying that which has made the US noteworthy in a good way. America's institutions and reputation are being sullied daily by Trump.
 
Regulations. We need more of them, not because I love regulations, but because corporations, especially the financial institutions, have proven themselves so corrupt and/or incompetent that government oversight is required. Problem is we have a bought and paid for congress doing the overseeing. Grade F

Fascist government. Another term thrown around far to often and too loosely. Not liking what the government is doing doesn't mean we have a fascist government. Arguably we have a corrupt government, but that doesn't make it fascist. If there are people practicing tactics of fascism we need look no further than a college campus. That tactic being not allowing opposing opinions. Grade F for throwing it where it doesn't apply. Full disclosure, I may be guilty of this myself from time to time. Labels are as an easy and lazy way to argue a point.
 
Frederick Foresight said:
Can things be improved upon? Sure. Did Trump improve anything at all while he was in office? No, not a blessed thing. He destroys anything and everything in his wake. Thus far, he has only been destroying that which has made the US noteworthy in a good way. America's institutions and reputation are being sullied daily by Trump.
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Sure they can, and prior to Trump we were living on shangri-la? He is the response from a people tired of a corrupt government which doesn't really represent them. Probably not the best response, but a tired of it all fuck you type responses rarely are
 
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