Restaurant workers quit at record rate

[Relentless]

Referencing my statement, if a few hundred government dollars is all it takes for large numbers of people to quit their jobs, it shows me 1. How uncommitted they are to their work and 2. How underpaid they are and 3. How confident they are about finding another job when needed.

But your point isn’t about the economy, it's about some nonsensical anger with the government for handing money out, as if somehow you were deprived of something.

A few hundred? I think your counting might be off just a hair.

They'll become more committed when the free money finally gets taken away and they decide they like eating / having a roof over their head.

If they dont like their pay they can find another job. Nobody is forcing them to work at these places. They've chosen to make less. Get a degree? Learn a trade? Work harder AND smarter instead of bitching and collecting welfare. Some deserved the supplemental income they received. Most don't.

Seriously? There are jobs literally falling out of the sky right now. Businesses are literally offering hire on bonuses and are lowering their standards for what is required to be brought on.

If you cant find a job that pays what you want it's your own damn fault.

Your profile says Singapore - so unless you live in the U.S now or visit frequently odds are you have no clue what's going on here anyway. Worse yet you do actually live here and must live under a rock the size of Jupiter.

Stating facts is now the equivalent of "nonsensical display of anger". The government has always functioned incompetently.

I've been deprived of nothing. You've been deprived of reading comprehension and choosing to live in reality.

 

[VicBee]

A few hundred? I think your counting might be off just a hair.

They'll become more committed when the free money finally gets taken away and they decide they like eating / having a roof over their head.

If they dont like their pay they can find another job. Nobody is forcing them to work at these places. They've chosen to make less. Get a degree? Learn a trade? Work harder AND smarter instead of bitching and collecting welfare. Some deserved the supplemental income they received. Most don't.

Seriously? There are jobs literally falling out of the sky right now. Businesses are literally offering hire on bonuses and are lowering their standards for what is required to be brought on.

If you cant find a job that pays what you want it's your own damn fault.

Your profile says Singapore - so unless you live in the U.S now or visit frequently odds are you have no clue what's going on here anyway. Worse yet you do actually live here and must live under a rock the size of Jupiter.

Stating facts is now the equivalent of "nonsensical display of anger". The government has always functioned incompetently.

I've been deprived of nothing. You've been deprived of reading comprehension and choosing to live in reality.

Government has subsidized industries and businesses for decades, but that'sjust business. Government has been lowering taxes for corporations and wealthy individuals for decades but that's ok too, I'm sure. Corporations and smaller businesses took advantage of government covid largesses and abused the program over and over again, and I'm sure that just unfortunate. But working class people impacted by covid getting financial relief from government is unacceptable?

 

[Relentless]

Government has subsidized industries and businesses for decades, but that'sjust business. Government has been lowering taxes for corporations and wealthy individuals for decades but that's ok too, I'm sure. Corporations and smaller businesses took advantage of government covid largesses and abused the program over and over again, and I'm sure that just unfortunate. But working class people impacted by covid getting financial relief from government is unacceptable?

Show me exactly where I said anything you wrote in this post?

Again - reading comprehension isn't your strong point. You are very good at making horribly inaccurate assumptions though. Do they give out medals for that?

 

[tsznecki]

If they dont like their pay they can find another job. Nobody is forcing them to work at these places. They've chosen to make less. Get a degree? Learn a trade? Work harder AND smarter instead of bitching and collecting welfare. Some deserved the supplemental income they received. Most don't.

Seriously? There are jobs literally falling out of the sky right now. Businesses are literally offering hire on bonuses and are lowering their standards for what is required to be brought on.

If you cant find a job that pays what you want it's your own damn fault.

There may be a lot of nuances you are missing. Just an example but say you are a single parent raising a kid working 70 hour weeks in 2 low wage entry level jobs with minimal or no benefits. Do you really have the money to get a degree or go back to school? To take PTO to interview elsewhere? Turn down that one day's wage that just might make rent?

In the high wage/professional segment right now there is no shortage of applicants.

I don't believe the point of @VicBee was that "govt good, handouts all". It was that corps have captured the lion's share of profits over the last few decades and now workers are in a rare position to fight back.

 

[virtusa]

In many EU countries however the government helps these companies temporarily to survive Corona. Of course the companies should be in good health before Corona started, it is not the purpose to throw away money to companies that are already close to bankruptcy.

The money that these EU countries spent is well spent as almost no workers leave their job. The yearlong experience/skills/knowledge of these workers is not lost and after Corona the companies can start up again quickly with competent workers, just like before Corona.

I know people who buy each year a lot of products from XXXX in the US. The orders they place now are only deliverable next year. Because of the forced layoffs, they have not enough workers and many of those who had experience, left the company to survive Corona financially. Their experience is lost and newbie's without any knowledge take their place now. A huge setback for XXXX.

"The American dream" only exists for a very small minority. Average Joe has no access to that dream.

 

[piezoe]

Your point should be acknowledged through common sense - something most people sorely lack.

The point I referenced from @comagnum SHOULD be common sense - but that's a big ask and apparently not the case as per the current "leaders" of the U.S. Brilliant group of minds those guys.

You may be the one missing the most important point. The Money for sitting on the Couch was temporary. It's ending. We will reset at a more reasonable wage level for these workers, and with possibly somewhat more automation. Public acceptance and competition, or its lack, will determine what happens next. Why not let capitalism and free markets work their "magic"? Better than coercion, don't you think? Patience is a virtue.

 

[piezoe]

There are still plenty of worthwhile things to do that can't be done as well by robots as by humans. We need to pay people well to do them, as many of these things require education or specialized training. Let government pay for the education and training; let the pay furnish the incentive. Then the workforce needed to accomplish these worthwhile things will be available.

 

[Relentless]

You may be the one missing the most important point. The Money for sitting on the Couch was temporary. It's ending. We will reset at a more reasonable wage level for these workers, and possibly somewhat more automation. Public acceptance and competition, or its lack, will determine what happens next. Why not let capitalism and free markets work their "magic"? Better than coercion, don't you think? Patience is a virtue.

There are walls of local businesses here (and obviously all over the country right now) that cant operate because they couldn't financially stay open if they had to match what is being handed out as helicopter money.

And dont give me this "free market" shit. I know you are a fanboy of how the Fed handles the monetary policy. Their horrible mismanagement (among other major bodies of policy creation) will show itself in due time - just like it has historically.

It should be free markets and capitalism at work. Not with these cronie interventionists.

 

[piezoe]

There are walls of local businesses here (and obviously all over the country right now) that cant operate because they couldn't financially stay open if they had to match what is being handed out as helicopter money.

Think about what you are implying here. If these businesses can't hire workers and still make a profit they don't have a viable business. I think that is wrong in most cases. In most cases they can hire if they raise the wage they pay. They will need to adjust profit/prices/workforce/other-factors accordingly. If they can't, or won't do that, and can't survive, then these businesses are either poorly managed or else have a faulty business model. This is the way capitalism is supposed to work. If capitalism can not work this way, then capitalism is a failure. I'm getting the impression you may not be a capitalist. Do you want government to intervene and subsidize these failing businesses? Do want government to order workers back to work, or use coercion? What do you suggest? These workers will not be getting a subsidized income, not anymore! They will either fall back on unemployment which is an entitlement that barely offers enough to squeak by and is time limited, or they will eventually have to go on welfare.

 

[d08]

How much do you typically tip?

No tip here.
By law the owners of hotels, restaurants and cafés have to pay the workers a decent salary.
And clients should know the eaxct prices ALL IN before entering any place.
Much easier, more transparant and logical.

Do you pay a tip when you take fuel? Or when you go to Walmart? Or when you buy a car? Or when visiting a doctor or dentist?

My argument exactly. And since in America the expectation is for you to tip, it has lost all meaning as it has nothing to do with service quality.
Remember, tipping came from the prohibition era, you paid for the waiter to spike your soda. You didn't just give money to the waiter for nothing like now.

However, I do tip if the service was above expectation or I just feel like it.