Republicans now want even more handouts from California to subsidize red states

[Tony Stark]

Obamacare... keep your doctor...
Gruber...
the stupidity of the democrat voter and congress person is necesary to get Obamacare passed.

Obamacare didn't screw the poor and middle class for the rich

 

[jem]

it screwed the middle class and the tax payers for the insurance companies, the cronies and illegals.
poor americans were already going to emergency rooms and getting med care for free anyway.

Obamacare didn't screw the poor and middle class for the rich

 

[Tony Stark]

it screwed the middle class and the tax payers the insurance companies, the cronies and illegals.
poor americans were already going to emergency rooms and getting med care for free anyway.

It screwed the rich and upper middle class for the poor and lower middle class the most.Thats better than screwing the middle class and the poor for the rich like Republicans consistently do.

Emergency rooms only stabilize patients,it doesn't provide healthcare.

 

[jem]

the poor got health care for free in california. I guarantee you that and it was frequently better and more wasteful than private health insurance.
I can't imagine it was not the same situation in a lot other states.

I have a feeling you are once again bullshitting your ass off Tony.
On what basis are you making your statements?

the point obamacare was trying to sell us on were the people who fell between the cracks. Had jobs or income but could not afford insurance but made too much for the medicare and state programs.

And in that area Obamacare failed. There are still massive amounts of people uninsured... and the obamacare numbers were faked by including medicare people in the newly insured numbers.

 

[Tony Stark]

the poor got health care for free in california. I guarantee you that and it was frequently better and more wasteful than private health insurance.
I can't imagine there were not a lot of other states with the same situation.

I have a feeling you are once again bullshitting your ass off Tony.
On what basis are you making your statements?

In most of The USA the poor did not get free health ins prior to Obamacare.In many red states that refuse to expand medicaid they still dont.

 

[Tony Stark]

There are still massive amounts of poeple uninsured

Many because republican governors refuse to expand medicaid.

 

[UsualName]

the poor got health care for free in california. I guarantee you that and it was frequently better and more wasteful than private health insurance.
I can't imagine it was not the same situation in a lot other states.

I have a feeling you are once again bullshitting your ass off Tony.
On what basis are you making your statements?

the point obamacare was trying to sell us on were the people who fell between the cracks. Had jobs or income but could not afford insurance but made too much for the medicare and state programs.

And in that area Obamacare failed. There are still massive amounts of poeple uninsured... and the obamacare numbers were faked by including medicare people in the newly insured numbers.

I would be interested in seeing where you got new enrollees into Medicare are included in the Obamacare numbers.

 

[jem]

this article... is the just the first one I clicked on...
you seem to be wrong again tony...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ory-health-care-america-obamacare-aca/521541/

In most of The USA the poor did not get free health ins prior to Obamacare.In many red states that refuse to expand medicaid they still dont.

 

[Tony Stark]

this article... is the just the first one I clicked on...
you are wrong again tony...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ory-health-care-america-obamacare-aca/521541/

and usual we debated that for months here... eventually even the lefties accepted it...you can do a search.

So you're arguing there was universal healthcare prior to Obamacare?

 

[Tony Stark]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ory-health-care-america-obamacare-aca/521541/

"Government Paid for Poor Citizens' Health Care Some 300 Years Before Obamacare"


If that was the case for all Americans I wonder why doctors and hospitals ask for health insurance cards when trying to get medical care