Rent free and more freeeee hand outs. Yes millions living rent free all while Job openings SURGE!!!

Did you guys run out of meat when the meat plants were closed? Did you run out of Fruit Loops when the store shelves were bare? Did you run out of TP when the TP run happened?

Nope. We made it through. Was all for naught, like the gasoline run when the Colonial pipeline was hacked.

Hoarding begets shortages. There's an ebb and flow of supply. All it takes is a few paranoid whack jobs to muck up the balance of goods and services, when it is not warranted.

Guys, wait until you hear the news that the ICBMs have launched before panicking. Otherwise, yer mucking it up for everyone else.


Yes, the stores and butcher did run out of meat for one weak.

Yet, Frootloops was well stocked on the shelves but I don't eat that junk. Instead, a cartoon of milk jumped from $5 dollars to $10 dollars.

Whole Turkeys jumped to $30 dollars per pound. Meat I eat...I can go out and hunt it and fish for it. :D

Then when hot dogs came back...they jumped from $3 dollars to $8 dollars per pack. Now sitting around $5 dollars per pack but no biggie...I don't eat the junk but the teenagers wanted me to buy some because Canada Day Celebrations is a big holiday...lots of outdoor barbecue and fireworks.

Stuff that was in short supply or all out...easily replaced with something else if you don't mind the inconvenience. For example, I had a neighbor that couldn't find toilet paper but he did fill up his grocery cart with tissue boxes (Kleenex with soothing lotion)...that's what he used for 3 weeks instead of Toilet Paper. :D

Last fall while raking the leaves in my yard...I offered to give him a bag of leaves if the stores ran out of toilet paper and tissue boxes. :sneaky:

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: Toilet Paper,
 
Instead, a cartoon of milk jumped from $5 dollars to $10 dollars.

Whole Turkeys jumped to $30 dollars per pound. Meat I eat...I can go out and hunt it. :D

Then when hot dogs came back...they jumped from $3 dollars to $8 dollars per pack. Now sitting around $5 dollars per pack but no biggie...

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Jeez, in which country are you located? That is obscene!
 
So this is what it comes down to. Millions and millions of people living rent free, and plans to extend the free rent continues and continues. And now those struggling to pay rent are going to get the chance to qualify for even more free money. Yes more free money all while jobs have become plentiful. The JOLT report from 2 weeks ago showed a RECORD GIGANTIC 9.3 MILLION job openings but hey it doesn't matter. Why work when you can live rent free. If That's the highest overhead that can be absorbed for free why would you want to work. So this is what this has become, a nation of free handouts and free money. And it looks like it may be here to stay. Just another way to artificially bump up the economy.


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If they don’t pay a living wage, the free market allows for workers to transition into ones that do.

The pandemic exposed the extortion racket that some of these ‘businesses’ in fact are.

They deserve to go belly up.
 
Pure stupidity for the Army Veteran to be upset about some guy paying for his groceries with an ECB card or whatever it is and driving a middle class car. :rolleyes: :D

He doesn't know the living situation of the guy. For example, maybe the guy and his family are living with their grandparents and the car belongs to the grandparents because the guy could not afford his own car.
  • The Pandemic resulted in a record breaking number of families (people with kids) moving back home with their parents.
In addition, there's a large number of people that outright owned their cars prior to the Pandemic hitting in 2020. Now they're unemployed or working a job that can not financially support their family but they still own that nice car outright...as in no car payments.

Simply, the Army Veteran anger is misplaced and if he was so outraged...he should take the time to remember the lifestyle of many Army soldiers that re-enlist. For example, as an Army Veteran myself...I had friends in the military that were given 10k - 30k bonuses for re-enlistment.

Most would buy a new car...a very nice car considering most already had a savings of about 20k - 30k already in the bank.

Another situation...the guy he saw may have recently taken a job that gave him a car as a benefit in which the job is paying for the lease. I have a niece that graduated from graduate school in 2020...she landed a job on Wall Street...
  • One of the benefits...they're paying for her lease on a new BMW.
My point, one thing someone should learn about automobile ownership...its one of those ego ownership that most people will not let go even if they're poor for awhile. The car ownership gives them hope that things will / can get better for them again.
  • I guess you've forgotten all those long food lines at the Food Bank during 2020 ???



The Army Veteran should be ashamed for judging people with a decent car while piling up food in the food cart...not knowing if there will be food on the grocery store shelves the next day.

Seriously, I remember when my Province announced they were going to lockdown a 3rd time...
  • I went to the IGA grocery store...people were pushing two full grocery carts. I remember one guy had a cart full of meat and another cart full of toilet paper / paper towels. I had to go to 3 different large grocery stores / pharmacies to find milk and toilet paper. I didn't even try to find any meat...I knew it was already all purchased.
Luckily, I already had a two month supply of Duck and Chicken in the freezer at home prior to the Pandemic.

Sure, there's going to be some free loaders out there taking advantage of hand outs but the fact is that the Army Veteran does not know anything about the guy that he's outraged about that has an ECB food subsidy card and drives a decent car that's middle class.

To assume the guy is not in need is a mistake because the Army Veteran doesn't know the guy's personal story, whom he's living with, whom the car actually belongs too and if the groceries are just for his family or shared among several families.
  • To photograph the guy and then post his outrage about the guy online in an effort to ridicule that guy without knowing anything about the guy's personal life...pure bullshit.
P.S. In a Pandemic...most people panic and then overspend on groceries as in they tend to stock up on a lot stuff that they already have. My neighbor had 12 full bags of groceries for him and his wife from one visit to the grocery store...1/2 of it they were shocking for an elderly couple a few houses down that were too afraid to go to the grocery store.

P.S.S. Poultry and Fish is now getting very expensive. I'll be doing a lot of Pheasant / Duck hunting soon and fishing...more than I do in a normal year. Most people don't have that luxury to control their expenses.

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The same reason the army vet posted the pic is one of the very same reasons people in general make bad traders which is..incorrect preconceived assumptions. This was one area I will admit I had to mature into with age. There is usually a story behind what you see on the surface and never judge a book by its cover. Granted some people may very well exactly match another persons preconceived notion about them, we should all be careful painting with a broad brush. Inductive reasoning is not fool proof.
 
If Apple doesn't pay taxes the shareholders and buyers of computers benefit. Who are the shareholders. Every union made up of working class people of in the US owns shares of Apple.

True, but a bit of a strawman. The amount of shares owned by unions is negligible. 84% of all shares are owned by the wealthiest 10%.
 
If they don’t pay a living wage, the free market allows for workers to transition into ones that do.

The pandemic exposed the extortion racket that some of these ‘businesses’ in fact are.

They deserve to go belly up.

This is the actual answer. We are witnessing the ACTUAL free market in action. Companies are dying to find workers and no one wants to go back to work. You could, of course, incentivize them by raising wages or offering really nice fringe benefits (fully remote) but no one seems willing to.

So, the free market will take its course and as always daddy government will come in to save the poor corporations. The people propping up the economy need more cash. It sounds likes $40,000 a year is the base wage people would be willing to back for (approximately the wage they earned doing nothing).

I can't understand why so many libertarians don't understand this. This is an ideal truly libertarian situation. We should be encouraging this, and allowing the strong the survive. My only gripe is the strong include people who can just weather the storm (walmart, etc) and the bread and butter of America will die off.

Raise wages, get more workers. Keep wages the same, get people who will either not work for you or actively undermine you. The math is simple. It's very clear the profiteers are upset they may actually have to pay people instead of leaning on welfare to make up the difference.

This is going on tech related to remote work. Except I think tech company CEOs are smarter. The vast majority are offering permanent remote positions. After people started demanding everyone shows up to the office the attrition rate skyrocketed. No one wants to play the stupid game. They made an entire movie about it (office space). If you want workers you bend your knee to them, and not the other way around. This is how the free market works. When you need labor you pay for it at the prevailing wage/benefit package.

How fun!
 
I can't understand why so many libertarians don't understand this. This is an ideal truly libertarian situation.
Since the government is artificially depressing the employee supply by pumping free money to people, no, it is not a "truly libertarian situation".
 
The real freeloaders are the super wealthy who exploit the hard labor of the masses in order to realize their egoistic desires, every single day.

Exactly, it is the likes of Zuckerberg, Buffet, Bezos, Gates, etc. who hide behind numerous tax loopholes up their asses put in place by the likes of Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi. To be fair RINOs also, use a lot of those tax loopholes. They ask for tax increases knowing full well, they will not end up paying it. It is the middle class who ends up absorbing most of the tax increases. Some are hidden in the prices of goods rising to cover increased sales taxes and other taxes imposed by extreme liberal Democrats and RINOs on corporations. In the end, only the middle class who has a 9 to 5 job gets shafted because there are no tax loopholes to hide their income.
 
Good point.

In fact most of the "news" and images we see on TV and other media are carefully selected to trigger an emotional response from the public, with little or no regard for the facts or the truth.

The goal is to manipulate the public's opinion, one way or the other.

Gone are the days when journalists simply reported facts...

Exactly, what we have overwhelmingly, now is extreme liberal political hacks. They even censored President Donald Trump. Can you imagine that happening elsewhere that they would tolerate that? Only in communist countries like China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela. Of course, Democrats have Socialists, Communists, Islamist politicians right now in Congress no less!
 
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