Regarding the Existence or Absence of God

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Well no one can answer my question so I'll move onto Jesus Christ. The evidence is there. Whether you believe it or not is up to you.

The Resurrection of Jesus Christ is either ...the greatest event, or the greatest fraud — in history!

Did Jesus Christ actually rise from the dead?

Dr. Greenleaf, the Royal Professor of Law at Harvard University, was one of the greatest legal minds that ever lived. He wrote the famous legal volume entitled, A Treatise on the Law of Evidence, considered by many the greatest legal volume ever written. Dr. Simon Greenleaf believed the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was a hoax. And he determined, once and for all, to expose the "myth" of the Resurrection. After thoroughly examining the evidence for the resurrection — Dr. Greenleaf came to the exact opposite conclusion! He wrote a book entitled, An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice. In which he emphatically stated: "it was IMPOSSIBLE that the apostles could have persisted in affirming the truths they had narrated, had not JESUS CHRIST ACTUALLY RISEN FROM THE DEAD, . . ."

Greenleaf concluded that according to the jurisdiction of legal evidence the resurrection of Jesus Christ was the best supported event in all of history!
 
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Ok, now I'm confused. Stu says the creationists are saying we were created from nothing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was the evolutionists who are saying we were created from nothing. Actually, I believe the evolutionists say nothing created a period which blew up and created us. So we are all here because of a period that blew up... think about that next time your girlfriend's on the rag.

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Originally posted by thunderbolt
Well no one can answer my question so I'll move onto Jesus Christ. The evidence is there. Whether you believe it or not is up to you.
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where the HELL do you get off saying no one is answering your questions when in THE PREVIOUS POST i just asked WHAT WOULD YOU ACCECPT AS EVIDENCE OF TRANSITION?????????

IMBECILE!

the evidence clearly is there: that the whole jesus story was indeed the greatest ever fraud perpetrated on mankind!!!!!

what does your Dr Greenleaf bring to the table???? Point me to it! I will DESTROY the stupid git!!!

(i sure hope he comes up with something better than "in the opinion of Dr Green leaf, "it was IMPOSSIBLE that the apostles could have persisted in affirming the truths they had narrated, had not JESUS CHRIST ACTUALLY RISEN FROM THE DEAD, . . .")
 
What changed his mind? What evidence did Dr. Greenleaf encounter that so drastically turned him around? What facts did he discover that he could not rationally ignore?

In order to answer that, let's go back to that scene nearly 2,000 years ago. That eery night in the garden of Gethsemene, as a blood-thirsty mob came and arrested Jesus Christ. He was brought before Pilate, and there in plain view, Jesus Christ was spit upon, cursed, he was laughed at, whipped, beaten. He was branded a blasphemer. And He was sentenced to die by the most extreme, shameful form of capital punishment ever devised — crucifixion. Galatians 3:13 reads, "Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree".

Jesus Christ died a curse. He died as a criminal. He died in open shame and disgrace. In the eyes of the world, Jesus Christ died a total disgrace!

And there stood His apostles — in stunned unbelief. Here was their hope. Here were 11 men that had forsaken all and followed this man. They believed in this man for 3 years. Can you imagine what was going on in their minds? Didn't He heal the sick? Didn't we see Him walk on water? Didn't we see Him raise people from the dead? Didn't we see Him still the raging storm? And to end like this? THAT NIGHT, THERE STOOD 11 DEFEATED AND CONFUSED MEN! They had given up everything for naught. And then to die like He did. Beaten. Smitten. Humiliated. Guilty. Blasphemer. A complete disgrace!

There was the apostle Peter, the one who boasted, just days earlier, "Though I should die with thee, yet will I not deny thee." (Matthew 26:35) There he was that night, standing in the mob, defeated, confused, and hurt. Jesus was dead! He was crucified as a blasphemer! One of the women saw Peter and said, "you were one of them, you was with Jesus of Nazareth". The Bible says "he began to curse and to swear, saying, I know not this man of whom ye speak." (Mark 14:71) Three times Peter denied the Lord, cursing and swearing, "I know not this man".

BUT SOMETHING HAPPENED!

Something happened to that small band of frightened and humiliated men. . . Less than two months later — they went back into Jerusalem boldly preaching, at the threat of death, that — JESUS CHRIST WAS ALIVE!
 
What transformed these fearful and confused men into fierce, bold lions?

Acts chapter 4:18-19, reads, "And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus. But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye."

What had these men seen?
What had these men heard?

What was it that beatings, threatenings, jail, torture and even death could not silence? In Acts 5, they put in jail and beaten — and verse 41 says "And they departed. . . rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name".


What had these 12 men seen that they would eventually die a horrible death for?
 
One theory suggests the apostles fabricated the resurrection. Two major problems: One, If the body of Jesus Christ was available, you'd better believe, the Roman authorities would have paraded His body for all to see. Christianity was spreading like a wild fire! And nothing could have quenched that flame quicker than the body of Jesus Christ!

An article, suggesting Jesus faked His death and resurrection, appeared in the prestigious British Journal of the Royal College of Physicians. The article makes the assertion, "the whole episode was planned by Jesus and his followers. . . that death would be feigned so that early removal from the cross might be secured."

Do you know the problem with that — if the resurrection of Jesus Christ was not true — there were 11 men that knew it!

Remember, friend — THESE MEN WERE EYEWITNESSES! They were there!


"Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were EYEWITNESSES. . ." Luke 1:2

"That which was from the beginning, which we have HEARD, which we have SEEN WITH OUR EYES, which we have LOOKED UPON, and our HANDS HAVE HANDLED. . ." 1 John 1:1

"For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were EYEWITNESSES of his majesty." 2 Peter 1:16

And these men went so far as seal their testimony with their blood! They died a horrible and martyrs death!


FOR A LIE. . .
KNOWING IT WAS A LIE!

There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
 
are you normal??????/

the truthfulness of the bible is exactly what is at question!!!!! you can't go and use it as evidence! we have to refer to other sources of information that will either confirm, deny, support or weaken the bible's story!

if you use the bible, ask, WHO WROTE IT? the people writing it certainly were NOT eyewitnesses!!!!!!!!

this is absolutely elementary!! shit, what an idiot.
 
For this reason — these 12 men not only died for a lie — and here is the catch — THEY KNEW IT WAS A LIE!

If the resurrection of Jesus Christ is a lie — THEY KNEW IT!

You can not find a group of 11 men in the history of this universe who forsook all, were beaten, were jailed and even went so far as die for a lie — KNOWING it was a lie!


IT IS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE!

Michael Green, principal of St. John's College, Nottingham, writes concerning the apostles, ". . . You could imprison them, flog them, kill them, but you could not make them deny their conviction that on the third day he rose again." Dr. Greenleaf wrote, "IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE that the apostles could have persisted in affirming the truths they had narrated, had not JESUS CHRIST ACTUALLY RISEN FROM THE DEAD!"
 
And then there's the man called Saul of Tarsus.

Saul of Tarsus thought Jesus was a false messiah, a fake, a blasphemer. And to exterminate Christianity totally, became his passion! The Bible describes him:


"As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison." (Acts 8:3)

"And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, . . ." (Acts 9:1)

Saul of Tarsus was one of Christianitys' most rabid persecutors. One day traveling the dusty road to Damascus, Saul burning with vengeance, with documents authorizing him to capture all the followers of Jesus. But on the road to Damascus something happened to Saul of Tarsus. . .


"And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest". (Acts 9:3-5)


And on the road to Damascus, the greatest conversion in history took place! For Saul of Tarsus, among the greatest enemies of Jesus Christ, that ever lived — became the Apostle Paul — THE GREATEST CHRISTIAN THAT EVER LIVED!


What happened to this man?

What could so transform this man, that he completely dedicated his life to spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ? And was later beheaded at Rome in 67 A.D. for his faith in Jesus Christ.


There is only one possible explanation —
THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST!
 
Originally posted by daniel_m
are you normal??????/

the truthfulness of the bible is exactly what is at question!!!!! you can't go and use it as evidence! we have to refer to other sources of information that will either confirm, deny, support or weaken the bible's story!

if you use the bible, ask, WHO WROTE IT? the people writing it certainly were NOT eyewitnesses!!!!!!!!

this is absolutely elementary!! shit, what an idiot.
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did you happen to read this thunder-mo-fo-dolt???????
 
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