Regarding the Existence or Absence of God

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Originally posted by thunderbolt
There have been absolutely NO skeletal remains found that indicate one species evolves into another. Give up, you have no proof. God made us, and not we ourselves.
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tell me you didn't just say that.
 
I have no idea. But then again you have no idea either. Rene DeCartes thought of God as the ultimate hedge. He believed but only because if he believed, he benefitted most. He figured if he didn't believe and God turned out to be real, he'd get screwed in the end, so he believed because basically it was in his best interest. Now i'm sure that is the SOLE reason many people still believe in God. They don't want to be punished in the end.

I personally find it interesting that people place their beliefs in books written well over 2 thousand years ago. The world was a very different place then, and there was little in the way of actual knowledge. When someone didn't know something back then, they asked their religious leader (some still do today), and when HE didn't know, what do you think happened, God told him if little Susie should be traded to the Joneses in the next town for 3 calf? You guessed it, he made it up. Now, when they asked him why we are all here, do you think he said we are here to reproduce and follow our primal instincts in a socially responsible way in a complex societal system? Or was his answer, the mysterious GOD that no one has ever seen or heard loves us and wants us to enjoy our everlasting soul? Thats right, when the priest of an ancient tribe/city didn't know something, his answer was GOD. I know that God was a substitute for knowledge in the ancient world.

I also know that the only reason Cristians did not lose their religion sooner was for the imperialistic practices of the Roman Catholic Religion from the twelfth to sixteenth century. After the Church stopped killing everyone that didn't believe, some people started not believing. I also know Darwinism indirectly fueled atheism. I also know Darwin was a devout Cristian.

I thing I do know though, is the more answers I get to the questions I used to have, the more questions I seem to have, because we currently can not explain EVERYTHING, and that little grain of sand I don't know weighs a ton in my mind.

Ignorance is bliss sometimes!

MUChris
 
Originally posted by aphexcoil
I think what a lot of you fail to understand is that evolution is just another creation process. Nothing gets created with the wave of the wand and "POOF" -- there it is! No, things get assembled by other forces outside of the assembled system.

Your watch is a system that's purpose is to keep time. Every organized system in the universe exists for some purpose. A watchmaker creates the watch using his intelligence, dexterity and available parts. The watch never went "poof" and came from thin-air.

So, the bit about evolution being the end-all is just bullshit. Evolution merely shows us that organisms, which are systems, are also created through a process of external events and not from some "POOF" -- there it is phenomena.

What no atheist has yet answered for me is how evolution can exist. Where did the rules for evolution come from? Why are systems getting more advanced when the law of thermodynamics says that they should be breaking down?

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I don't know the law of thermodynamics. However, evolution makes total sense. Its based on survival of the fittest (system, organism, whatever). What's so hard to understand about that?
 
Originally posted by aphexcoil

So, the bit about evolution being the end-all is just bullshit. Evolution merely shows us that organisms, which are systems, are also created through a process of external events and not from some "POOF" -- there it is phenomena.
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what the hell do you think "creation" would be if not a "POOF - there it is" phenomenon?
 
Aphexcoil uses a common theist attack on evolution.
However, its been shredded in the past.

If you really want to know why the law of thermodynamics
does not interfere with evolution, read this:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/probability.html

peace

axeman



Originally posted by I Missed Boat


I don't know the law of thermodynamics. However, evolution makes total sense. Its based on survival of the fittest (system, organism, whatever). What's so hard to understand about that?
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Originally posted by ElCubano
Talking to yourself or not; my point is that u yourself admitted that if on death row you will pray for the fun of it...First off I doubt you will be praying for the fun of it; and second, you answered my point.

And I dont have the stats it is just an experience I am sharing with ya.....

nothing more nothing less....

peace and good luck
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an "experience?" Are you writing us from death row now (or are you referring to some of your pals on death row)?
 
Aphexcoil uses a common theist attack on evolution.
However, its been shredded in the past.

If you really want to know why the law of thermodynamics
does not interfere with evolution, read this:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/probability.html
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That site is a load of shit. I know about local entropy systems and how the sun adds energy to the earth, thus creating a system which is partially closed.

However, lets take a look at the big picture and examine how the universe started out with a huge explosion and now we have nice neat little structures consisting of cars, airplanes, people, twinkies, Intel Inside, etc ....

So, when was the last time you saw a tornado rip through a junk-yard and create a perfectly flyable 747?

You atheists are all shot up and filled with holes, and your poor arguements are leaking out and going down into the sewers.

Nice try, but come again.
 
Originally posted by axeman

Simply because you CANT disprove something does
not make it real or give you an excuse to believe in it........................................................


I wouldn't simply use my "impressions," but if it is one component of what someone else uses for their view, I wouldn't dictate to said person what he or she shouldn't believe spiritually.

Strawman fallacy. We are NOT debating what people should
or should not believe spiritually.

This is not a touchy feel good discussion on what people
should believe spiritually.

We are debating the existence of god here.
A binary thing. There is no room for "impressions" in
a debate. "Impressions" carry no weight.

Proving to someone they have no rational reason to believe
in a myth is core to this debate. It is not overboard.

What is this? PC-ism on crack or something?

You have theists making outrageous claims.
The atheists are doing a great job of destroying all their
old and weak arugments.

The atheists still believe they have a right to their
bogus beliefs.

However, if they catch the theists trying to offer their
faith based beliefs as fact, they are going to get shot down.

Again and again and again... :D

peace

axeman
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First, it's not about PC. It's about whether you will "excuse" someone to believe in God or not. Secondly, there is no straw man here, because I am not using this argument to suggest that God can, cannot, must or must not exist. So where the hell do you keep pulling these claims of non-existent fallacies from (nevermind, I probably don't want to know).
 
Originally posted by daniel_m


Buddy, ever heard of the skeleton "Lucy", or, in scientific terms, Australopithecus afarensis? If you don't accept THAT as transitional evidence, then WHAT WOULD you accept?
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Lucy is old stuff. There have been so many bigger discoveries in the last several (last few for that matter) years.
 
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