Regarding the Existence or Absence of God

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SUNDAY .... Sun's-day.


The first day of the week, named for the Sun


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MONDAY .... Moon's-day.

The second day of the week,
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TUESDAY .... Mars's-day

From the Roman warrior god Mars. Our culture adopted the Anglo-Saxon word for the warrior god of the Teutonic mythology Tiu or Tiw


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WEDNESDAY .... Mercury's-day

From the Roman god of peace and prosperity. Our culture adopted the Teutonic god Wotan


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THURSDAY .... Jupiter's-day

From the Roman god of lightning, thunder and the husband of Juno. Our culture adopted the Scandinavian god Thor, known as the thunder-god


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FRIDAY .... Venus'-day

Roman goddess of the spring seasons, Greek goddess of love. Our culture adopted the name Frigg, the Scandianavian goddess of Love


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From the planet of the same name.
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So using Thunderbolts logic, all the greek and roman
gods are REAL and must exist! :D

Wooo hooo.... where is that hot little number
Venus... I wanna bend her over a table and.... oh.... got
a little carried away there...sorry :D


peace

axeman




Originally posted by rs7
MONDAY .... Moon's-day.

The second day of the week,
named for the Moon


..... Moon's-day



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Originally posted by axeman
So using Thunderbolts logic, all the greek and roman
gods are REAL and must exist! :D

Wooo hooo.... where is that hot little number
Venus...
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FRIDAY .... Venus'-day

"Roman goddess of the spring seasons, Greek goddess of love. Our culture adopted the name Frigg, the Scandianavian goddess of Love

..... Frigg's-day."

I love Friggin' Fridays!
:)
 
Originally posted by Gordon Gekko

actually, i don't think i said that. a man named jesus MAY have existed, but he was just a human being and is not "god." he did not create our universe and such.
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I don't usually participate in discussions such as these but I have to come out and ask a couple of questions. What proof do you have that Jesus is not God and didn't create the universe and such?

also, for the record, i'm independent when it comes to a higher power. i'm not saying there is or isn't one...i do not know. i do know, however, it is not "jesus christ." :)
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How do you know that Jesus Christ isn't a higher power? What evidence do you have or who told you so?

It is one thing for a person to make statements about his or her personal beliefs. I can find no fault with someone's beliefs even if they don't agree with mine. It is quite another to make positive assertions about this or that as if they were facts without providing any evidence.
 
Originally posted by thunderbolt
>>this is such a weak argument.

first of all, as i and others have said, a man named jesus may have existed. maybe the calendar was started after him..who cares! it doesn't mean he created the freaking universe.

also, a lot of things are based off things in the past, it doesn't make it right though. i don't see us changing our calendar any time soon.<<


Weak argument? How's that? It is a fact that you ask for and I gave it to you. Why base our calendar on JESUS? It could have been changed at any time by the Romans--who for the most part didn't believe. Why not the fall of Rome? Or the rise for that matter? Or some other WORLDLY reference?
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Why did people determine for thousands of years that the earth was flat? Why did slavery exist since early (or even before) "civilized" man.

Thunderbolt, please IM me with which stocks you are long or short, so that I can use the info as a contrarian indicator. Whatever you are doing, I know I want to be on the other side of the trade!!
 
Originally posted by TriPack
I don't usually participate in discussions such as these but I have to come out and ask a couple of questions. What proof do you have that Jesus is not God and didn't create the universe and such?
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What proof do you have that Jesus is God and did create the universe and such?
 
Originally posted by Gordon Gekko

What proof do you have that Jesus is God and did create the universe and such?
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GG, the argument is futile. This cannot be PROVEN one way or another. Tripack is right. There is no proof.

Why do you care so much? Those who believe have what they call "faith" and that's enough for them. They don't need proof.

You are asking for the impossible. And conversely, you can't PROVE that those that believe are wrong.

Most of the arguments are totally senseless. I couldn't help but make the point that the calendar "proved" nothing. It was, as Thunderbolt would say, a "weak argument" (only it was weak on his part, but he believes so strongly that he can't see this). The calendar was created by men. As were religions. The unknown is if the religions were based on truth or not. There are many who say they "KNOW" God. So for them, that is their reality. For others, it is not. But no one can prove their case to the opposing view. Senseless and useless argument. Let it go.

:)Rs7
 
Good points TRIPACK .

RS7 quote''Rosh Hashanah'' ------ That tells me,
and I agree;
the powers that be
think that,Yom Kippur,Christmas,Hanukkah,Passover are important.:cool:

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There are strong arguments for Christ's identity based on historical documents outside the bible confirming his life and times. There is strong circumstantial and psychological evidence regarding how hard it would be, if not impossible, to pull off a fake resurrection where a dozen coconspirators willingly faced martyr deaths as a result. Why would men travel the continent in rags and die by torture years after the fact for promotion of a scam? There is strong evidence in regards to behavior, specifically the way the apostles were bumbling and tripping over their own feet most of the time Christ was with them but then became bold as lions after he rose. You don't get a surge of power and confidence when your leader failed and is in the ground. You get that when you realize He was the real deal and that the grand plan was even bigger than you could have imagined.

Then of course there was the total destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, which Christ prophesied about, which the book of revelation prophesied about, and which was directly prophesied about by OT prophets centuries before that- a linear progression hundreds of years if not a thousand years long that was filled precisely. All that was spoken of came to pass and was, again, documented by outside sources. Carbon date the documents if you want.

Again the majority of problems cited with scripture are straw men, i.e. the devil as a dragon with seven heads is a perfect example. You think that satan as a dragon is silly, and you know what? So do I because that is an incorrect understanding of the text. Revelation is an easy book to rip on; many christians do not understand the book of revelation, let alone most critics. I can tell you here and now though that John was as clear thinking as you and I, that the 'dragon' you spoke of was an analogy no different than the 'axis of evil' type analogies used today, that the Christians back then would have understood the analogies and symbolic language just as easily and straightforwardly as you or I understand symbolic language in political speeches today, and that if you think all Christians believe in the 'left behind' series and black helicopters etc. etc., that is a very false assumption. The correct interpretation of revelation has NOTHING to do with most of the end of the world stuff we hear about regularly and is, in fact, straightforward and not hard to understand. There is a lot of bad theology out there that offers up target practice like those little ducks with bullseyes painted on the side; but again, shooting down bad theology is not the same as shooting down Christianity itself.

There are no be all end all arguments, of course, because intellectual assent is ultimately an act of will. For some people, an angel could show up in a dream or at the foot of their bed and they would still convince themselves it is a hallucination. This is not a dig or a hidden insult, it's an attempt to point out that words usually won't cut the mustard because even the greatest argument in the world can be rejected on technicalities, and because emotions can be stronger than reason on both sides of the aisle.

May I again strongly suggest the value of being sure you know what you are criticizing before writing it off, and again point out that knocking down a straw man is not the same as knocking down the real deal. Furthermore if someone presents a 'weak argument' and you knock it down, that proves you have the ability to knock down weak arguments and not much more. To go back to trading, I am sure the average random walk professor could tear up the average trader on a debating floor in semantical terms. What does that prove? Not much. If forced to choose, I would rather be right with no argument than wrong with a strong one.

So I must mildly disagree Rs7 and assert that there IS 'proof' out there, but value judgment of that proof will remain a subjective issue. As you point out debate does have a sense of futility to it when both sides made up their minds a long time ago.

 
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