Regarding the Existence or Absence of God

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Originally posted by aphexcoil



Mr. Bell's theories prove both mathematically and through quantum experiments that reality is indeed non-local. This has far-reaching implications for the philosophy of science, religion and life itself -- including the source of consciousness as it applies to quantum states within the universe and mind.
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How the hell are Bell's theories applicable to the conversation??

And do you have a point by quoting him or are you trying to make yourself look smart by quoting something you don't understand the implications of, hence the vagueness??

MUChris
 
And do you have a point by quoting him or are you trying to make yourself look smart by quoting something you don't understand the implications of, hence the vagueness??
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You need to CHILL out! I am just giving some good links for people to ponder since this whole debate does concern religion and reality plays a part in it.
 
I think being a Atheist benefits my trading...

I have no "FAITH" in any of my trades which help

in taking losses..even god can't turn the market around...

hehehe


and my total contempt for the supernatural helps me develope a

rational and objective approach to the markets...

no elliot wave "theory" or delta phenomenon ...

In fact...IMHO anyone who is a Atheist...


One who came to the conclustion that god just doesn't exist

through his own thought


One who is psychologically independent and strong enough

to ACCEPT the FACT that GOD DOESN'T EXIST ..


have the INGREDIENTS of a good trader...



Some of us just can't accept the inevitalbility of death and

need some psychologically CONSTRUCT..GOD... to help him get

through life...

as Chairman Mao once said..."religion is drug"...ehh...

a more descirption phase is MORPHINE FOR YOUR SOUL

if there is even a SOUL...



:cool:
 
I think that trading have a lot to do with perceiving reality...

and how you perceive reality hinges on your belief system...

IMHO

those who enbrace a god-centric belief system is engaging in

Self delusion...and simply not facing reality...

this PROPENSITY to hide from reality is a huge impediment to

trading..

I have no doubt that a lot of succesful traders a also

church going people...they must have some how seperate god

from their trading..

but the PROPENSITY to HIDE from reality is already a sign of

mental weakness( yes...you are a wimp to believe in GOD)

and this weakness is going to show up in their trading where

there is no where to HIDE...

:cool:
 
Originally posted by aphexcoil


You need to CHILL out! I am just giving some good links for people to ponder since this whole debate does concern religion and reality plays a part in it.
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Way to Dodge the question!! I just wanted to know if you actually had an opinion on what Bell said, or if you just read it and said, oh, I can post this on elite to up my # of posts. By the way, I think yo'll be on the high poster list by next tuesday at this rate.

MUChris
 
Sounds like some are afraid or perhaps don't understand that nickname''thunderbolt'':cool:

RS7 and Goldenarm ;I'll admit I look at 5 days data more than 10 years. Actually do occassionaly look at 10 years + 30 days and more on Gold stocks ,Goldenarm.:cool:

If a space ship traveled 85% the speed of light 15 day[uptrend] and 15 days downtrend[back to earth]; you have 30 days time passed in cockpit.

Ten [10] years would have passed on earth[30 days in cockpit] .:cool: Source - paraphrase of athiest professor who now believes[repents].

When asked what lay on the other side of crossing the threshold of the speed of light????????????????????????????????
-------------------------------Albert Einstein replied ''I know of no better way to describe it than eternity'':D LUV, Murray
 
Way to Dodge the question!! I just wanted to know if you actually had an opinion on what Bell said, or if you just read it and said, oh, I can post this on elite to up my # of posts. By the way, I think you'll be on the high poster list by next tuesday at this rate.
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I am convinced that reality is non-local and that Bell's theorem is indisputable. A lot of physics teachers don't teach it to students because it proves that objective science has reached an end and that we are simply at a point where subjective reality is the truth to existence and not deterministic or objective reality.

As in many experiments, the mere act of observation affects any system. You could even apply this to trading and say that, once you put on a trade from your observations of the system, you are no longer observing but participating.

In fact, Bell basically proved, in an ingenious proof, that it is impossible to observe without affecting that which is being observed.

So, if we live in a non-local reality, than it isn't a far jump to assume that reality is subjective to each of our experiences.

In effect, the mere thought of action produces the outcome of the action and that thought rules the nature of subjective existence.

How does GOD fit into all of this? Well, a non-local reality implies that all characteristics of differentiated and distant systems still affect each other and exchange information about their states simultaneously and instantly. The atom inside a star 50,000,000 light-years away may possess information about the atom in your pinky, since a non-local reality would take on characteristics of a holographic matrix.

You can take a hologram (a true one) and cut it up into a thousand pieces and yet each piece will still carry all of the information of the hologram.

Markets may even be non-local events based on holographic interactions between non-local quantum brain processes that exist in each trader's brain. The entire net effect is that the system appears to be chaotic, but in actuality is better explained using quantum probability distributions governed by a non-local reality.

Bell's proof is solid and there is no way to dismiss that one of the following must break down to describe the universe:

a) Logic
b) Locality
c) Reality

What so many atheists fail to realize in their attempts to deny the existence of god is the fact that there is no explanation for this proof -- other than the fact that non-local reality is a proven theory and that it brings into question the nature of existence as it applies to sentient beings capable of observation.

In effect, the universe has created within itself the ability to be recognized through sentient and conscious beings. Without us, the universe could not exist and without the universe, neither could we -- and we are all connected on a holographic non-local level.

Ps: Who gives a shit how much I post.
 
Lets see here.... you are taking the HUGE leap
of applying what works at an atomic level to
a macro level?

HUGE Non-sequitor. Nice try.
Why dont you ask these guys if they think this
applies to the Macro level. :D

Do you really think that being observed without your
knowledge effects you in any way?
Interesting how this test works at a quantom level
but NOT at macro level. Gee, I wonder why?? :D

What is true on the atomic level is not necessarily true
on the macro level.

The rest of your post is full of so many empty assertions
and nonsequitor conclusions, that I could use it as
an example of poor reasoning in a critical thinking course.
Thanks for the chuckle.

peace

axeman



Originally posted by aphexcoil


I am convinced that reality is non-local and that Bell's theorem is indisputable. A lot of physics teachers don't teach it to students because it proves that objective science has reached an end and that we are simply at a point where subjective reality is the truth to existence and not deterministic or objective reality.

As in many experiments, the mere act of observation affects any system. You could even apply this to trading and say that, once you put on a trade from your observations of the system, you are no longer observing but participating.

In fact, Bell basically proved, in an ingenious proof, that it is impossible to observe without affecting that which is being observed.

So, if we live in a non-local reality, than it isn't a far jump to assume that reality is subjective to each of our experiences.

In effect, the mere thought of action produces the outcome of the action and that thought rules the nature of subjective existence.

How does GOD fit into all of this? Well, a non-local reality implies that all characteristics of differentiated and distant systems still affect each other and exchange information about their states simultaneously and instantly. The atom inside a star 50,000,000 light-years away may possess information about the atom in your pinky, since a non-local reality would take on characteristics of a holographic matrix.

You can take a hologram (a true one) and cut it up into a thousand pieces and yet each piece will still carry all of the information of the hologram.

Markets may even be non-local events based on holographic interactions between non-local quantum brain processes that exist in each trader's brain. The entire net effect is that the system appears to be chaotic, but in actuality is better explained using quantum probability distributions governed by a non-local reality.

Bell's proof is solid and there is no way to dismiss that one of the following must break down to describe the universe:

a) Logic
b) Locality
c) Reality

What so many atheists fail to realize in their attempts to deny the existence of god is the fact that there is no explanation for this proof -- other than the fact that non-local reality is a proven theory and that it brings into question the nature of existence as it applies to sentient beings capable of observation.

In effect, the universe has created within itself the ability to be recognized through sentient and conscious beings. Without us, the universe could not exist and without the universe, neither could we -- and we are all connected on a holographic non-local level.

Ps: Who gives a shit how much I post.
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Axeman,

No! We should be the ones to thank *YOU* for providing yet another post with all style and no substance.

Your ability to refute the obvious with vague generalities while debating others without supporting your argument is, without question, unparalleled here on ET.

Again and again, you continue to one-up yourself in the rhetorical department. You definately should look for a publisher when you complete your new book, "A lot of words but so little meaning." I'm sure it will be an instant success as a coloring book for tots as soon as adults throw it in the trash.

You deserve all of our thanks for providing a unique "idiot" angle to an otherwise interesting debate.

Thank *YOU*.
 
Very good Alphe.

By dodging my entire post and resorting to Ad Hominem
attacks, you proved beyond any reasonable doubt
that you have no position and that all your assertions
were in fact empty. Your just upset that someone did'nt
let it slide.

Thanks for making it obvious. :D

Now try posting something that actually supports your
conclusions.

It is quite apparent that you already have your conclusion, god,
and are scratching around looking for something to support it.

But rational people take a different approach.

They observe the evidence and THEN draw conclusions.
They dont start with a conclusion, and search for evidence.

peace

axeman


Originally posted by aphexcoil
Axeman,

No! We should be the ones to thank *YOU* for providing yet another post with all style and no substance.

Your ability to refute the obvious with vague generalities while debating others without supporting your argument is, without question, unparalleled here on ET.

Again and again, you continue to one-up yourself in the rhetorical department. You definately should look for a publisher when you complete your new book, "A lot of words but so little meaning." I'm sure it will be an instant success as a coloring book for tots as soon as adults throw it in the trash.

You deserve all of our thanks for providing a unique "idiot" angle to an otherwise interesting debate.

Thank *YOU*.
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