Re-opening Schools in the era of COVID

Your comments and attempts to poke holes in the studies are laughable and have all been responded to.

You should just be happy that your local schools now require masks so the your children can spend a longer time with in-person learning without being forced to remote as your schools get overwhelmed with Covid.

You haven't responded to anything. You've just reposted the same thing over and over again. Well, technically reposting the same thing over and over IS a response, but it isn't one that refutes any comments.

Our schools would be open no matter what. Because we're in Florida, thank God.
 
You haven't responded to anything. You've just reposted the same thing over and over again. Well, technically reposting the same thing over and over IS a response, but it isn't one that refutes any comments.

Our schools would be open no matter what. Because we're in Florida, thank God.

I did respond -- I will note that medrxiv is a leading portal for pre-prints. This is a study by respected researchers which is being submitted for publication and peer review. The study is back by data -- and they even provide a power-point to walk through the information.

After this you claimed none of the studies compared schools with masks to those without masks -- I pointed out the CDC Georgia study did this.

At this point the nonsense you posted to cast aspirations on the studies is laughable. Go read the studies and come back with some facts with the data you disagree with -- at which point you can contact the respected authors about your concerns.
 
I did respond -- I will note that medrxiv is a leading portal for pre-prints. This is a study by respected researchers which is being submitted for publication and peer review. The study is back by data -- and they even provide a power-point to walk through the information.

Right, but again, you can't say other places that non peer reviewed papers and studies can't be accepted - except when you post them. That's a big problem you often have. You forget what you said and end up eating your words.

After this you claimed none of the studies compared schools with masks to those without masks -- I pointed out the CDC Georgia study did this.

At which point I asked you if this was the same CDC that previously said masks don't work, and you didn't answer. This is important because if you are using a source that says one thing but then flip flops and says another when it becomes political, that's not really a good source that is unbiased.

At this point the nonsense you posted to cast aspirations on the studies is laughable. Go read the studies and come back with some facts with the data you disagree with -- at which point you can contact the respected authors about your concerns.

I don't have concerns. I've discounted the studies because of the reasons I mentioned. I am happy to change my mind if you show some reason to, but you seem to be unable to do so.

Additionally, I note that you didn't make another comment on the Duke study (which ONLY looked at masks schools and not unmasked schools - LOL)
 
Right, but again, you can't say other places that non peer reviewed papers and studies can't be accepted - except when you post them. That's a big problem you often have. You forget what you said and end up eating your words.



At which point I asked you if this was the same CDC that previously said masks don't work, and you didn't answer. This is important because if you are using a source that says one thing but then flip flops and says another when it becomes political, that's not really a good source that is unbiased.



I don't have concerns. I've discounted the studies because of the reasons I mentioned. I am happy to change my mind if you show some reason to, but you seem to be unable to do so.

Additionally, I note that you didn't make another comment on the Duke study (which ONLY looked at masks schools and not unmasked schools - LOL)

Fine open mind you have there --- when it comes to studies actually performed by respected scientists.
 
absolute garbage.
I already told the problems with the first 26 day November to Dec 2020 study.


and the second is a report..useless

and the third is a model.
a model containing the assumption that masks work.

fucking joke of a brain you have.


Here is the list of studies in classrooms once again -- go read them and educate yourselves.

CDC Study examined 169 schools in Georgia and found that schools with student mask requirements had a 37% lower COVID rate among students than schools without mandates. This study was from late 2020 before Delta was prevalent.

Mask Use and Ventilation Improvements to Reduce COVID-19 Incidence in Elementary Schools — Georgia, November 16–December 11, 2020

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7021e1.htm

Summary
What is already known about this topic?


Kindergarten through grade 5 schools educate and address the students’ physical, social, and emotional needs. Preventing SARS-CoV-2 transmission in schools is imperative for safe in-person learning.

What is added by this report?

COVID-19 incidence was 37% lower in schools that required teachers and staff members to use masks and 39% lower in schools that improved ventilation. Ventilation strategies associated with lower school incidence included dilution methods alone (35% lower incidence) or in combination with filtration methods (48% lower incidence).

What are the implications for public health practice?

Mask requirements for teachers and staff members and improved ventilation are important strategies in addition to vaccination of teachers and staff members that elementary schools could implement as part of a multicomponent approach to provide safer, in-person learning environments.


(More at above url)


Research Finds Masks Can Prevent COVID-19 Transmission in Schools
“With masking, the schools clearly can safely deliver face-to-face education for children and adults"
https://today.duke.edu/2021/06/research-finds-masks-can-prevent-covid-19-transmission-schools

The widespread use of masks in schools can effectively prevent COVID-19 transmission and provide a safe learning environment, two Duke scholars said Wednesday.

Danny Benjamin, M.D., and Kanecia Zimmerman, M.D., were co-chairs of the Duke-led ABC Science Collaborative, which issued a new report Wednesday showing that North Carolina schools were highly successful in preventing the transmission of COVID-19 within school buildings.

The report found in part that masks effectively prevented COVID-19 transmission even without physical distancing in schools and on buses.

Benjamin and Zimmerman spoke to reporters Wednesday in a virtual media briefing. Watch the briefing on YouTube. Read a news story about the collaborative's findings on Duke Health's website.

Here are excerpts:

(More at above url)


Researchers from NC State, UNC study effectiveness of masks, random testing in schools
https://www.wavy.com/news/north-car...ctiveness-of-masks-random-testing-in-schools/
Aug 19, 2021

A local research team is looking at how COVID-19 spreads in school settings and how much mask-wearing and testing can help.

The study found without masks and random testing, more than 75 percent of students would get COVID-19 over a semester.

The study looked at “susceptible students,” those who are not vaccinated, and did not already have COVID-19.

Maria Mayorga, a personalized medicine professor at North Carolina State University, is part of the research team.

This is what the study found for elementary school students, who are too young to be vaccinated.

“By the end of the semester if we do not mask, 90 percent of the students who were not already infected would become infected with the virus,” Mayorga said. “So that’s way too many students and it would not be possible for the students to stay in school, probably something would happen before then where they would be sent home or to a virtual environment.”

Graphs from the study show masks reduce it to around 50 percent of students, and masks combined with random testing reduces it to just under 25 percent of elementary school students susceptible to the virus contracting COVID-19.

That’s without going virtual due to outbreaks.

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Those numbers are lower in older grades because the study accounts for vaccinated students and those who already had COVID-19 (listed as incoming protection).

“If you introduce the mask requirements in the school you can reduce the number of infections by more than 50 percent,” Mayorga said.

Most central North Carolina school districts now have mask mandates.

This study has not been peer-reviewed. The team is comprised of researchers from N.C. State, UNC-Chapel Hill, Eastern Carolina University, and Georgia Tech.

You can read the full study here and see a slideshow of the presentation here.

Mayorga said the next step in their research is measuring the effect school mask policies can have on communities.


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Research done in North Carolina, Wisconsin, Utah and Missouri has shown mask mandates effectively stymie coronavirus transmission rates in schools.
 
With DeSantis rebuked and child COVID cases soaring, schools must act to protect students
https://www.ocala.com/story/opinion...ould-prompt-schools-protect-covid/5662045001/

Florida’s public school districts have the right — at least for now — to insist that students, teachers and others on campus wear masks and take other precautions against COVID.

Friday, a circuit judge in Tallahassee ruled that Gov. Ron DeSantis overstepped his legal boundaries when he attempted to block mask requirements in local schools. It was the right call.

Florida’s parental-rights law grants a clear exception for local rules crafted to keep students safe, and the danger is already coming into focus. Last week, 17.5% of the positive COVID tests statewide were for children under 12 — too young to be vaccinated.

School districts that haven’t already implemented mask requirements should summon the courage to take advantage of this opportunity. If they need more evidence on the benefits of doing so, consider this statistic reported by WOFL-FOX 35 Orlando. In Broward County, which started school under a mask mandate, there were eight positive cases as of Aug. 20 — a number that dropped to six on Aug. 23.

In Orange County, which didn’t have a mask requirement the first day of school, there were 207 cases on Aug. 20 and 382 on Aug. 23. Orange County officials didn’t need to see any more: Their mandate went into effect Monday.

In both counties, school officials are certain to hear from people insisting that the sharp increase in student cases won’t translate into serious health risks for students. But there’s no way they can be sure.

So far, child hospitalizations and deaths from COVID seem relatively low, and we certainly hope it stays that way. But local health officials say the delta variant is more likely to make children sick. Even if officials act this week, they may see the number of children hospitalized for COVID — and, eventually, killed by it — rise inexorably over the next few weeks.

It was curious that DeSantis chose public schools as a battleground. The governor has battered away at anti-pandemic measures for months now, issuing orders that stripped local officials’ authority to enact mask mandates, limit communal gatherings and enact other protections.

The governor’s mantra, all along, was that he was defending Florida’s economy. That stance came with an ugly subtext that valued money over human life, but at least it was consistent.

It’s hard to see, however, how the governor squares that philosophy with his attack on school-based protections. There’s no valid argument that connects Florida’s business climate to the presence or absence of a mask on the face of a fifth-grader, outside the negligible economic boost achieved by the sale of child-sized masks.

The “parental choice” argument doesn’t make much sense either; the governor's order quashed the choices of the large number of Floridian parents who would prefer to keep their children safe from a potentially deadly disease.

Those who argue that kids won’t keep their masks on may have the weakest argument of all. Kids have no concept of their own mortality: They eat dirt. They undo their seatbelts. They pick up guns. That doesn’t lessen the responsibility of adults to keep them safe — in fact, it magnifies it.

DeSantis, who has young children of his own, should understand that. Florida’s children deserve protection, and the governor should stop fighting local school officials who are trying to provide it.
 
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