Re-opening Schools in the era of COVID

That's great. If you're that afraid, you should stay home. You should have your kids stay home. After all, its scary out there.

But what you don't get to do is tell me I should stay home and have MY kids stay home and have MY kids suffer all the issues children are suffering in anxiety and depression and failing grades, etc. You don't get to tell me I have to do that unless you can show me that there is a mortal danger to sending my kids to school.

And you can't show this because the data doesn't suggest it is true. Post all the anecdotal stories you like about people you know, means nothing to me. I can give you an anecdotal story saying things are fine for every single one you can give me telling me that things are bad.

So quarantine to your heart's content. But don't try to convince me to do so unless there is a risk that outweighs the risk of me keeping my kid home from learning properly. From being social. From playing sports. From all the things necessary for my child to develop into a normal human being.

Thanks.

How about we only open schools for in-student learning when it is safe to do so. There is a very successful model --- nearly all the countries in Europe from this fall who followed clearly defined safety measures. Of course the first hurdle for the U.S. is that the local positive test rate (7 day average) must be below 5% --- nearly everywhere in the U.S. this positive test rate is above 5% thus it is not safe to open schools. Get your local community spread down and enact proper safety measures in your schools then your kids can go to school with minimum COVID risk.

The data from the EU clearly demonstrates how to safely open schools without having large number of COVID cases among the staff and students -- unlike the U.S. which tried to open schools without decent safety precautions and endured 10s of thousands of cases.

Trying to judge school openings strictly on the number of students who died is completely idiotic. There are many students enduring long COVID. We shut schools in the U.S. for polio which did not kill many students -- they merely enduring long term effects. Ignoring the staff members hospitalized and dying from COVID while parroting the "prove they got it at school" right-wing talking point is absurd.
 
How about you show us that it isn't safe to do so? You know, with data.

Is your local COVID positive testing rate above 5% (7 day average) -- then it is not safe to open your schools. This is a very clear starting point with piles of EU data to back it.
 
Is your local COVID positive testing rate above 5% (7 day average) -- then it is not safe to open your schools. This is a very clear starting point with piles of EU data to back it.

Really? Since you state this so clearly, you should be able to show me cases and fatalities linked to school reopening in places above the 5% and below. there should be a clear delineation, right?
 
Really? Since you state this so clearly, you should be able to show me cases and fatalities linked to school reopening in places above the 5% and below. there should be a clear delineation, right?

Well in the EU when the rate is above 5% then schools are closed. So there is clear delineation of proper policy.
 
Well in the EU when the rate is above 5% then schools are closed. So there is clear delineation of proper policy.

Ah, well if the EU does it, it must be a correct action. After all, the EU never makes bad policy.

What a good little soldier you are.

When you have any data - any data at all that shows ANYTHING to support your position, you come on back and show us, ok? Now run along, you're going to be late to your Party meeting.
 
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You only define safe as whether or not a kid or teacher will die from it so that creates a very narrow definition for you. Safe is not only about death.

Help me redefine the safety. Show me the risk - with data. If you can't, then all you have is anecdotes.

And I'm not about to lock down my child and impact them psychologically or educationally because of your anecdotes (or anyone else's).
 
Help me redefine the safety. Show me the risk - with data. If you can't, then all you have is anecdotes.

The CDC has defined safety and risks for schools.... go read.

The complete CDC chart showing safety risk at different levels of COVID community indicators

CDC indicators and thresholds for risk of introduction and transmission of COVID-19 in schools
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/indicators.html#thresholds

Statements from CDC officials indicate that your local schools should only be open if they meet "Lower risk of transmission in schools".
 
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