Re-opening Schools in the era of COVID

gwb-trading said:
51 in the study group of 277,285 COVID cases have died. Many more than 51 school aged children have died of COVID in the U.S.
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Ah, can you show me the stats that back up this? When you say many more are we talking double that? 10 times? Show me the numbers?

gwb-trading said:
As I stated earlier in my previous post -- until our nation provides clear federal COVID safety guidelines aligned with the best public health practices that all school systems must follow then not a single student should be back in public school.
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Thankfully, no one is following your recommendation except some extreme lunatic municipalities, and they can reap the "benefits" of this with their children.

I look forward to learning how many children died of COVID in the US.
 
Tsing Tao said:
Ah, can you show me the stats that back up this? When you say many more are we talking double that? 10 times? Show me the numbers?



Thankfully, no one is following your recommendation except some extreme lunatic municipalities, and they can reap the "benefits" of this with their children.

I look forward to learning how many children died of COVID in the US.
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According to the CDC the latest figures broken out by age group can be found here. Unfortunately they group ages 15 - 24 as one group --- so it is hard to break out high school aged children from 19 and older young adults.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex
 
gwb-trading said:
According to the CDC the latest figures broken out by age group can be found here. Unfortunately they group ages 15 - 24 as one group --- so it is hard to break out high school aged children from 19 and older young adults.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex
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This is a good article from the Washington Post. Has a link to numbers in September from the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Children’s Hospital Association. Both of these sources should be above even your reproach. Estimates 549,432 cases by children of COVID in the United States. Notes approximately 100 deaths of children due to COVID. If we were to take your source offered, which as you note groups 15-24 in one category and equally proportion the amount of deaths to this by year (knowing that as we get closer to 24 the mortality rate should increase, not stay the same) we'd be right around 100 deaths.

So let's go with 100 deaths unless you have some other source.

Now we're saying the fatality rate is .018 (still). But again, we're talking about 100 children who died out of 74 million children who go to school. This is tragic for the 100 children, no doubt.

But to suggest we should keep all 74 million kids at home because of this is well, well beyond the threshold for total lunacy and mental incapacitation. This is the proverbial needle in a haystack.

To support such a stance shows how unbelievably vested you are in the narrative - more than any other example to date we have seen from you. And that is saying something.
 
Tsing Tao said:
This is a good article from the Washington Post. Has a link to numbers in September from the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Children’s Hospital Association. Both of these sources should be above even your reproach. Estimates 549,432 cases by children of COVID in the United States. Notes approximately 100 deaths of children due to COVID. If we were to take your source offered, which as you note groups 15-24 in one category and equally proportion the amount of deaths to this by year (knowing that as we get closer to 24 the mortality rate should increase, not stay the same) we'd be right around 100 deaths.

So let's go with 100 deaths unless you have some other source.

Now we're saying the fatality rate is .018 (still). But again, we're talking about 100 children who died out of 74 million children who go to school. This is tragic for the 100 children, no doubt.

But to suggest we should keep all 74 million kids at home because of this is well, well beyond the threshold for total lunacy and mental incapacitation.

To support such a stance shows how unbelievably vested you are in the narrative - more than any other example to date we have seen from you.
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There are not 74 Million Children in school currently in the U..S. A large number of children have been virtual since last spring.

If the U.S. did send all 74 Million children to school at full attendance-- undoubtedly the COVID death toll among the children and in the community would be much higher.
 
gwb-trading said:
There are not 74 Million Children in school currently in the U..S. A large number of children have been virtual since last spring.

If the U.S. did send all 74 Million children to school at full attendance-- undoubtedly the COVID death toll among the children and in the community would be much higher.
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Fine, we can do this all day. How many kids are going to school? Lets get the count of students showing up at school. You have a source?

Even if it were half or a quarter of that amount it would still be sheer lunacy in numbers to 100 deaths.
 
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Tsing Tao said:
So these flu vaccination mandates you referred to - all of a sudden its an issue? How many years have we had the flu and suddenly its an issue? And its only a small number of states.

Are you going to answer the question on whether we should restrict 74 million kids because 52 die?
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They claimed don't worry about re-opening schools -- kids and staff won't be hurt by COVID. In the same way COVID never spreads at BLM rallies.

Yet.... people cling to their beliefs while the pile of bodies and numerous hospitalizations associated with K-12 school outbreaks increases every day. Most schools have only been back open for on-campus students for less than a month. Over 50,000 K-12 schools in the U.S. are still virtual only out of 131K or so total schools. It only takes a few mere days after a school opening for COVID to show up -- despite the attempted mitigations.

Seeing that there are 56.6M K-12 students in the U.S. and it appears that only 62% of the schools are open... we can assume this rising toll of students and teachers is based on 35M students or so being on-campus in school.

But let's ignore the COVID toll and rush all these students back into school.

After all -- every death is merely just one additional "one off"...

North central Iowa teacher dies from COVID-19 days after testing positive: 'There's a lot of sadness'
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...-dies-days-after-testing-positive/6263099002/

A Belmond-Klemme Community School District teacher died from COVID-19 last week just days after testing positive.

Jason Englert, 38, was in his first year of teaching the district's Talented and Gifted program, said Superintendent Daniel Frazier. An outbreak at the district's secondary school was reported the previous week, Frazier said, believed to be linked to students who were getting together outside school and spreading the virus. He said some of the students brought the virus to school.

Classes at the secondary school moved online Oct. 30. The Wright County Health Department tested all teachers and staff members at the secondary school on Nov. 2. On Nov. 5, Englert was told he tested positive, Frazier said.

"We sent him home early that Thursday and checked on him that Thursday night and that was the last time we heard from him," Frazier said.

On Sunday, police were called to Englert's home to perform a welfare check after he did not return his father's calls, and police found his body. Police concluded he died suddenly a day or two earlier, Frazier said.
 
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The standard for re-opening K-12 public schools is that on-campus learning should only be done when the local community prevalence of COVID is low. In the U.S. the only measure of this is the positive test percentage with the threshold being 5%. When the the local community exhibits a seven day average of positive tests over 5% then schools should not be open for on-campus learning but revert to virtual.

Even Florida originally listed this as one of their standards -- DeSantis even bragged it was fine to open schools because the positive test rate for the state was low -- below 5%. Now that the positive COVID test rate for many communities in Florida is well above 5%, all of this seems to be forgotten about. The DeSantis administration is still demanding schools remain open.

Of course this leads to even further spread of COVID in the community and conditions in schools that are simply unsafe for students and teachers.

Miami-Dade, Broward and Keys public school cases rise as COVID-19 surges in Florida
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article247174311.html
 
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