Radio Frequencies Help Burn Salt Water: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Quote from Haroki:

What a coward you are. We've all discerned THAT.

Just cuz I don't back down and say what I think about your sick self, you use it as a way to avoid answering q's about the validity of Meyer's water car.

Let's just see how the moonbat's mind works -

1- you assert he was killed. What makes you believe that? Cuz his car works.
2- the coroner's report says otherwise. What makes you belive that is wrong? Cuz his family and friends say he was poisoned.
3- His car was never inspected by an independent lab. What makes you think his car actually worked? Cuz the Brits said his fuel cell was a great invention, and so we should listen to what they have to say.
4- but they also said that he didn't let them inspect his car and gave some lame excuse why. Why don't you believe them? The Brits are a-holes and we shouldn't listen to them.
5- but every inventor that said that their car worked has been proven to be a hoax. How can you still believe in this? Cuz big oil suppresses it.
6- So why do you still believe his car worked as claimed? Cuz he was killed......
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You're a delusional fruitcake:


Quote from Achilles28:



At best, its inconclusive (Meyers WFC) based on independent testing. Not as cut and dried as you position it. Not at all.
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http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=103692&perpage=6&pagenumber=9






Quote from Haroki:

This is a perfext example of moonbat circular logic. If you don't see this, then either the dumbest SOB here, or a monumental liar.
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Oh yea. "Perfect example". LOL!!


You know, after all these wild-eyed rants and vitriol-laden tirades, its really YOU thats been exposed as the monumental liar.

You just keep stepping in your own shit, Haroki.



Quote from Haroki:



Instead, how about some answers to my previous post?

6- constructive - how about my last post yesterday, could that be considered constructive? In it I said that indeed, it appeared that Stan may have figured out a way to split water using less power than other previous methods. So I gave him props for that. But his car has never been examined - that's where the "lame excuse" quote came from. The Brits looked at his WFC and thought it was good - they said this. But when they wanted to see his car run, Stan backed out and gave his "lame excuse". But if it really does work, others would be able to give specs on it, such as how many watts go in to split the water up, how much HHO comes out, and how much work can this amount of HHO do. Very simple things to figure out, and I asked if anyone has any data.

You should go to the Wiki discussion page and read some of the very interesting posts there for both Stan's deal and for the water fuel car. Due to the inefficencies of a typical car, it seems as if the WFC would have to consume only 10-15% energy as it releases.

Pretty far fetched, but a cool idea....

Anything to say?
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Read Wiki because skeptics haven't replicated Meyers fuel cell??

Earth shattering. Thank you.
 
I had indeed read it, and meyers example is NO different to teslas offshoots, claiming marvellous wonderfull things, since been not unprovable, but unreplicable.
Big difference.

Half the beat-up story rubbish right here in P&L, revolves around "scientists" saying something or other, when in reality, they said no such thing, the
MEDIA
said "scientists say".

Which begs the question, why its in politics and religion???????
in the first place.


A vast, but consistent, and obvious discrepancy.
 
Quote from acronym:

I had indeed read it, and meyers example is NO different to teslas offshoots, claiming marvellous wonderfull things, since been not unprovable, but unreplicable.
Big difference.

Half the beat-up story rubbish right here in P&L, revolves around "scientists" saying something or other, when in reality, they said no such thing, the
MEDIA
said "scientists say".

Which begs the question, why its in politics and religion???????
in the first place.


A vast, but consistent, and obvious discrepancy.
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Lotsa true statements here - finally a rational discussion...

Meyer's followers made a WFC just like he did, HomeRun Strategy gave an excellent link to some plans, etc. This is a first hand account, if I read it right, not through some science article.

http://www.cyclesurfer.com/Articles/D14.pdf

Curiously, still no basic science q's are answered here, or anywhere else, that I can find. Such as-
1-watts in
2-HHO out
3-amount of work that this amount of HHO could do in any type of engine that could be used to do any productive work.

Really, it wouldn't matter if it cost to produce HHO, as long as it could be used to power a vehicle that would result in lower cost per mile and/or lower emissions when compared to purely gas powered cars. You pay for gasoline anyways, why would it matter if you pay a little for HHO?

Interestingly, it has been shown that HHO can be used to raise gas mileage by a significant %age, which is promising. Because if it could be used to aid mileage AND could be powered by the vehicles stock electrical system,the additional mileage one got would indeed be "free". It would be a great addition for those who were willing to drive around with a potential bomb in their trunk - LOL. But I'm sure this could be eliminated also. I forget if it lowers emissions though.

As far as P&R goes, where else are you gonna put it, other than shit shat?

Well, I guess that P&R would be better, since it appears that the "true believers" in a water powered car have all the traits of the religious right - namely they "believe" that it works, "believe" that this info is being supressed by big oil, "believe" that free market forces couldn't find the monentum to run with this if it had any merit, and that's enough for them.....
 
There are plans for many "alternative" / "free energy" devices.

I know for a fact, water cars are real and exist, plans for those are device #15 at http://www.panaceauniversity.org/

For those without electronics, try the simple gravity machines. Free energy from gravity. I've built models of a few of these that work. I'm replicating Stan Meyers water cell now.
Stan Meyers and Bob Boyce Water Cars / Boats use resonance , high impedance, and high voltage, very littel electricity and are way over unity systems. Something like 10 times as much energy is comming out as "WE" are putting into it. Extra Energy comes into the system from the enviornment, "material effects" and they do not violate the laws of therymodynamics.

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/

To LEARN ABOUT OVERUNITY AND ZEROPOINT ENERGY GO TO.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4242030440208468502&q=tom+bearden&to
 
Science behid it is best presented in the Free Energy Series now on Video Google.

I gave you the wrong link. The other link was something else.
This gives the science behind ZPE. This is the first in the series. I think the second or 3rd deals with water cars. There are dozens of technologies than any one of them could solve our problems. All of them have been suppressed and rejected because scientist refuse to update their books. The Russians Laugh at us. This is why they invented the new bomb the other day and we didn't.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1066893416132462243

About 1+ hours into the tape one man talks about the harrasment and strange things he has encountered. I can tell you first hand this is absolutely true.

Another technology related to cars I like is Troy Reed with his "surge" technology has a car that runs on permamnent magnets and nothing else. Like howard johnsons motor. http://youtube.com/watch?v=jt5z8L4LBJE

For power generation, gravity motors and ZPE machines such as the MEG or pendrov motors / bendini motors. Do a you tube search on those.

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/
 
HomeRun,

Can Meyers fuel cell be replicated in total from the plans provided?

Or do the plans just lay the basic framework - or scaffolding - that aspiring replicators must build upon, or tweak?

Second question - if the plans do exist for a number of "FE" devices, why haven't the more socially conscious inventors uploaded step-by-step plans to the Net?

That would make the most sense if the ultimate goal is energy revolution.

I could be wrong.
 
Quote from HomeRunStrategy:

There are plans for many "alternative" / "free energy" devices.

SNIP

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/

SNIP
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A: I wish people weren't dishonest and didn't prey upon the ignorant (but that wish isn't going to come true anytime soon.)

B: It's still hard to believe that with the ability we have to learn and experiment there are still people willfully ignorant enough to believe this shit.

From the links HRS provided above:

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/D21.pdf

The "Veljko Milkovic Pendulum"

Go to this link: http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/PrototipiEng.html
Scroll down a bit and click on the #3 link titled "Mechanical hammer with pendulum". This will bring up a video of his "free energy machine".

There are a myriad of ways that someone watching the video can tell this is bogus, but let's just address the man's honesty shall we?

At 1:25 into the video the man of obvious progressive age stretches out with a long reach and places two fingers on the arm and stops it's action cold. He holds this position in comfort for almost exactly 10 seconds while speaking to the camera. The pendulum continues to swing.

Then at 2:40 into the video he asks another person (who has been out of camera range until now) to grab the lever with both hands and lift it off it's anvil. At 2:50 into the video he now makes the claim (look at the video subtitle) -- "...even a strong person can't stop it".

No a "strong person" can't stop it even while standing over it with both hands, but a feeble old man can reach out and stop it with two fingers in an earlier demonstration.

Shameful. (and don't get me started on the obvious sham of the flashlight demonstration).

Please, build the machine and enjoy your time with this noisemaking toy. It produces no "free energy" and you'll grow tired of pushing it's pendulum, hearing it's clacking and move on to something else...

...Something like, let's say... the "Dale Simpson hinged-plate system". (from the same link).

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/D21.pdf

That one's a doosy -- In spite of their claim of 'increased lever arms on the falling side', if this device were built as shown, even with FRICTION FREE belts and bearings (they don't exist), from its displayed position it would rotate the lower pully counter-clockwise approximately 15 degrees until it achieved perfect balance and then would remain there, unmoving, for eternity.

I suppose you could put a motor-drive on it and it would make and interesting kinetic sculpture (as long as you were willing to pay the bill).

WTF - every one of those devices on that link show clear, obvious and fatal system flaws. There is on excuse for this ignorance.

(to say nothing of the fact that if they worked, we'd happily walking around right now in a power filled, "free energy" world.)

JB
 
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(to say nothing of the fact that if they worked, we'd happily walking around right now in a power filled, "free energy" world.)

JB
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Agree. It's sad to see people waste they time and money on something that has been proven not possible hundreds of years ago. The branch of physics called thermodynamics started out of the failure of trying to make these "free energy" machines. The three laws of thermodynamics deny the possibility of three kinds of "free energy" machines:

First law: Energy is always conserved. Thus you cannot make energy out of nothing - ergo, no "free energy."

Second law: Entropy always increases in an irreversible process. In layman's term, whatever you do, you always lose energy to heat in the process. This rules out a second kind of "free energy" machine that these idiots probably don't even understand.

Third law: Absolute zero temperature cannot be reached. This rules out a third type of "free energy" machine that takes advantage of absolute zero temperature. Again, I bet most of the idiots here don't know what it is.

My advice: Learn the three laws of thermodynamics, before wasting your time on some crappy inventions.
 
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