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My advice: Learn the three laws of thermodynamics, before wasting your time on some crappy inventions.
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Good advice, but I'm not comfortable telling someone ideas must always 'abide' by laws we believe are sacred. In the past man has thought many laws were sacred and have found them broken time and time again.

What I am comfortable with is saying "before presenting crap like that, learn how it works (or doesn't in this case)". A farm boy without a high school education can tell you that the pulleys and belts ain't gonna cut it.

I'm certain of a few things:

A: We don't know anywhere near everything and as we learn we will sometimes be surprised.

B: We've learned that those devices don't work.

C: There apparently will always be lazy, ignorant and in some cases, downright stupid people who will believe anything they read.

JB
 
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Good advice, but I'm not comfortable telling someone that they must always 'abide' by laws we believe are sacred. In the past man has thought many laws were sacred and have found them broken time and time again.

What I am comfortable with is saying "before presenting crap like that, learn how it works (or doesn't in this case)". A farm boy without a high school education can tell you that the pulleys and belts ain't gonna cut it.

I'm certain of a few things:

A: We don't know anywhere near everything and as we learn we will sometimes be surprised.

B: We've learned that those devices don't work.

C: There apparently will always be lazy, ignorant and in some cases, downright stupid people who will believe anything they read.

JB
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Note I didn't say that one must "obey" these laws. These laws represent the hundreds of years of studies by the brightest of mankind - that must count for something. Some very ingenious "free energy" machines were invented in the past. None of them ever worked. These failures led to the discovery of the three laws of thermodynamics. Learning these laws is like standing on the shoulders of giants. Einstein didn't overthrow Newtonian mechanics and invent relativity from vacuum (pun intended :) ).
 
JB3:
>These laws represent the hundreds of years of
>studies by the brightest of mankind - that must
>count for something.

All laws of the best and brightest counted for *everything* until someone proved them wrong.

>Some very ingenious "free energy" machines were
>invented in the past. None of them ever worked.

No offense, but I'd never call something that doesn't work "ingenious".

>These failures led to the discovery of the three
>laws of thermodynamics. Learning these laws is
>like standing on the shoulders of giants.

I could hardly agree more -- however, if someone isn't gonna learn these rules -- and these folks clearly aren't (the victims that is), then at least learn that THESE DEVICES DON'T WORK!!!.

It doesn't matter what rules they follow or violate. THEY DON'T WORK PEOPLE! Wake the F up.

JB
 
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Another technology related to cars I like is Troy Reed with his "surge" technology has a car that runs on permamnent magnets and nothing else. Like howard johnsons motor. http://youtube.com/watch?v=jt5z8L4LBJE
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ROFLAO! Another guy looking for unobservant suckers.

The guy turns the motor on to "start" the device and we hear it whir up to speed (storing momentum in the manner of a flywheel). Now, he turns on the light and unplugs the system and we get to watch the light stay on as he unplugs the motor and turns the table around.

Let's assume there is no chemical battery on that table (and there is no guarantee that there isn't) and let's assume that the power for that light is actually coming from that rotating device (an incredibly unusual device called ... a "generator" -- duh!). As he rotate that table, listen to the whir of the device get lower and lower... LOL! -- the stored momentum is simply being turned into electricity (and heat through mechanical and aerodynamic drag).

Interesting how they quickly switch to another segment rather than let the camera linger on that setup for ... hmmm... let's say 5 minutes or so.

It's not even good sleight of hand -- at best it's just a flywheel battery

JB
 
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Good advice, but I'm not comfortable telling someone ideas must always 'abide' by laws we believe are sacred. In the past man has thought many laws were sacred and have found them broken time and time again.
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excellent point -- any true scientist should welcome being proven wrong, and acknowledge that we only know a small fraction of what there is to know.

we must admit that our understanding may be incomplete or totally wrong. the most brilliant men of 1000 years ago could not have predicted what children take for granted today - who knows what the men of 10000 years from now will say.

that said, we have to use what we have now, until proven wrong :cool:
 
Sure, but what if rudolf diesel had stopped at powdered coal, and said "this peice o' crap dont work!! Its impossible!!!!", also note one of his inventions was a solar powered thermal engine.

Can we get plans on that? Why was that not elaborated on? Short of swedish submarines, nobody has done much with the stirling cycle engine recently, technology wise. The question, is why?


Anyhoo, for your amusement and ingestion (rather like the diesel particulates city dwellers are still inhaling at a rate of knots)
i give you rudolf diesel, one of few "succesful" inventors and pioneers. That wasnt killed by his invention, at least before he got it right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Diesel
 
acronym:
>Sure, but what if rudolf diesel had stopped at
>powdered coal, and said "this peice o' crap
>dont work!! Its impossible!!!!",

Dude, the "Dale Simpson Hinged Plate System" is not some 'in development' gizmo. It's a complete "open-source design gifted by Dale to the world".

Dale and Veljko and Troy have systems RIGHT NOW that you can watch turn(lie), hear clack (yes, it does click and clack if you keep pushing it) and light a bulb with(if you keep plugging it into the wall every few minutes).

These are not the Rudolf Diesels of the world, these are charlatans of the first order (by their fruits ye shall know them) seeking either twisted fame or genuine fortune.

Of course there is a chance they are not charlatans, I guess -- they could be complete idiots.

JB
 
acronym:
>Short of swedish submarines, nobody has done much
>with the stirling cycle engine recently, technology wise.
>The question, is why?

Uhhh... because so far the investment is too great relative to the return. There's no mystery surrounding the Sterling -- it's bigger, less flexible and more expensive to produce than the current ICE. Large companies and small companies continue to consider it's use and continue to come to the above conclusion.

Will the above ever change? -- as the costs of typical energy sources rise, numerous technologies currently rejected will become viable. My guess is we will see Sterlings more over the next few decades in applications where their disadvantages are minimized.

JB
 
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These are not the Rudolf Diesels of the world, these are charlatans of the first order (by their fruits ye shall know them) seeking either twisted fame or genuine fortune.

Of course there is a chance they are not charlatans, I guess -- they could be complete idiots.

JB
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If Diesel had been slightly wrong, or given up, he would be regarded as, if not a charlatan, then an idiot.

Quite true, it takes a village-of idiots, the history of human invention reads much like the thousand- monkeys -at -a typewriter scenario.
Im sure everyone reading this has been over the last hundred years of "patents", they apply to people who think their onto something, not the end result, unfortunately-its evident the patent process has hindered, as much as helped in these regards.
Agree?Disagree?

I've met plenty of tin-foil hat wearers, including one who appeared, to the casual observer, to maybe have something as good as all these things put together-i should mention, i didnt look at the aforementioned links, youtube doesnt do it for me scientifically.

Problem, he was crazy as a loon, even if he "knew" something, stumbled upon a workable principle, with dramatic effects on humankind-he smoked so much pot and was so paranoid, he couldn't have built a prototype if he had tried, even WITH full engineering backup, despite unverifiable claims to have done so, and demonstrated the principle.

The difficulty, is the layman is playing with a half deck of badly shuffled (loaded?) cards, to pretty much murder a phrase, so to speak.


Edit-just saw the supplementary reply, nothing much to add, except that cost is a relative perception-the few places stirling motors are used, as in india, where they know full well the advantage of multiple fuel sources, they could dissapear in the blink of an eye with petroleum availability, at the subsididised rates of coca cola.

My point i guess, isnt even about "new" technology, its about understanding old tech.
 
acronym:
>If Diesel had been slightly wrong, or given up, he
>would be regarded as, if not a charlatan, then
>an idiot.

Rudolf didn't claim his was turning when it was sitting still.

If you don't see the difference, you're as dense as the victims of these scams.

>i should mention, i didnt look at the aforementioned
>links, youtube doesnt do it for me scientifically.

That explains why it seems we are having two different conversations. Bye, bye.

JB
 
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