Question for those who believe everything is 50/50 always...

It's critically important because without it, you will never know if your results are due to luck or skill. If luck, then it will just be a matter of time before you blow out and lose everything. If skill, then you can confidently leverage more capital or even raise funds. But this is the first and most critical step after you think you found something.

Mav

I've disagreed with you before regarding the correlation between academics and success in this arena, but this critical step you mention above is mandatory.

To succeed, a trader needs to somehow acquire the knowledge and skill required to properly align themselves with realistic probabilities. Overly complex analysis is optional, but without a numerical basis for action, a trader will never break plateaus. Without it the bet sizing and profit targets can't be properly assessed.
 
I agree with this, but you can also achieve these returns without fundamentals, using only micro/macro technicals. Not the bullshit textbook TA pattern stuff, but using off-the-shelf, or custom made value based studies.

Correct, but you didn't take in to account time and the power of belief.

At some point it will implode as a fundamental event will come along, it's just a matter of when.

If you use all four combinations you risk mitigate.
 
Yes, but regarding markets, not everyone can make money. Someone has to lose for someone else to win. So, if someone just releases a lot of information that may change the players, or who's the receiving the gains for awhile, but I don't see how that changes the game in the long term.

Maybe your point is you feel some have received ill gotten gains? and you want other's to have that instead? but what's from stopping the people now receiving the edge from becoming the people you disagreed with, that didn't release information in the first place?


Though time, given enough of it. I think history has shown just about anything can be corrupted. I am just trying to better understand your goal or point here.

Not sure where you are going with this, but it's definitely the wrong direction. If people are going to trade they should be given access to direct and indirect information, whether they win or lose then becomes their own informed choice. You can still make ridiculous amounts of money this way, you just need to analyze the same information better, the problem with this approach is that you can't make HNW or UHNW amounts of money and also be an Intellectual Yet Idiot.

Are the markets random, no. You generally have two small over-influencing groups, those who push the market up (value money), and those who pull it up (value time), they can also do the same in reverse. That generates four combinations, when there's stalemate, indifference or confusion you have neutral. What makes the most money, when you identify long/short and push/pull exactly to balance to neutral, all you're doing is buying mean reversion with limited risk, assuming you filtered the information correctly, that's where the hard work and experience comes in.

The push/money and pull/time dynamics are the opposite to what the public's conscious minds tell them should happen. If you've ever flown a plane, when you're coming in to land, an approach is to use the pitch to control speed and the speed to control height, it's counter intuitive. And to shut the noisy group up, we were given a direct flyover Miramar (Top Gun base) because the instructor knew the right people, who taught me that little snippet - translation: you can argue it but you're an idiot.

Currently you are seeing both groups push up and pull up the indexes, what happens when one or both bail out. In reality that is not a free market and not random, then you end up with a simple question, which group and approach is the least worst. You're trying to pull me to an opinion which is better, I think they're both stupid so go neutral, but that seems to confuse most people.

There are too many people who have created bureaucracy and mis-information because they're just not very smart and/or just too lazy to make money the fair and reasonable way. I can unwind their rubbish at lightening speed because of experience and a good dose of hard work, but it creates a double bind on most people, do they believe what they hear or do they believe what they see. So now, most are starting to go neutral because before they believed it was random, now they're starting to understand it might not be. The only problem, the backstops they thought the IYIs put in place to limit the downside actually don't exist.
 
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Not sure where you are going with this, but it's definitely the wrong direction. If people are going to trade they should be given access to direct and indirect information, whether they win or lose then becomes their own informed choice. You can still make ridiculous amounts of money this way, you just need to analyze the same information better, the problem with this approach is that you can't make HNW or UHNW amounts of money and also be an Intellectual Yet Idiot.

Are the markets random, no. You generally have two small over-influencing groups, those who push the market up (value money), and those who pull it up (value time), they can also do the same in reverse. That generates four combinations, when there's stalemate, indifference or confusion you have neutral. What makes the most money, when you identify long/short and push/pull exactly to balance to neutral, all you're doing is buying mean reversion with limited risk, assuming you filtered the information correctly, that's where the hard work and experience comes in.

The push/money and pull/time dynamics are the opposite to what the public's conscious minds tell them should happen. If you've ever flown a plane, when you're coming in to land, an approach is to use the pitch to control speed and the speed to control height, it's counter intuitive. And to shut the noisy group up, we were given a direct flyover Miramar (Top Gun base) because the instructor knew the right people, who taught me that little snippet - translation: you can argue it but you're an idiot.

Currently you are seeing both groups push up and pull up the indexes, what happens when one or both bail out. In reality that is not a free market and not random, then you end up with a simple question, which group and approach is the least worst. You're trying to pull me to an opinion which is better, I think they're both stupid so go neutral, but that seems to confuse most people.

There are too many people who have created bureaucracy and mis-information because they're just not very smart and/or just too lazy to make money the fair and reasonable way. I can unwind their rubbish at lightening speed because of experience and a good dose of hard work, but it creates a double bind on most people, do they believe what they hear or do they believe what they see. So now, most are starting to go neutral because before they believed it was random, now they're starting to understand it might not be. The only problem, the backstops they thought the IYIs put in place to limit the downside actually don't exist.




EDIT: don't have any questions, thanks.
 
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Some people assert that the direction is always a 50/50 chance, completely random.
Some assert that it's pretty close to 50/50, but the "edge" is what lets you get a positive expectancy.

Under that assumption, if a trader has a system that commits many trades (so as to rule variance out), shouldn't he not be able to lose money faster than the bleedout of commissions? If people can lose money faster than loss from commissions, and its not due to variance, it should hold that the person can at least go the other way as well.


zero sum game


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Non-random, that's the advantage of producing a conclusion on the same level as the summary, clarity. All the best.


Where I was going to go with the conversation would just be way too much to cover and do not think it would be a beneficial discussion that would bring about any value to either of us. maybe another time.
 
Where I was going to go with the conversation would just be way too much to cover and do not think it would be a beneficial discussion that would bring about any value to either of us. maybe another time.
no wonder you having a hard time trading with all that crap on your chart..LOL.
 
I don't understand, I didn't post a chart, nor do I recall birzos posting a chart. Not sure why you quoted me?

He made a mistake. Apparently a lot of people don't have the ability to read correct who is posting what. ET is far from Elite, that's clear.
The chart was posted by the biggest ET guru: Trading Education Buyer
 
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