Quote from NeoRio1:
First of all I am your long paradoxical monologues only scares people off who are inexperienced with religion. I would try speaking in a way you would in a court room when arguing your subject. The longer you speak in this manner the longer I and the evil unbelievers believe that your merely using your long drawn out patterns to avoid giving straight answers.
I enjoyed your analysis of perception and now I will use it against you. You say a person doesn't know their own arm exists, they just perceive it so therefore they have faith in it. In essence this argument says that all things can only be perceived. Therefore all things that can be perceived can be held faithfully known. If truth and faith can only be found in perception than is it faithfully true that a mentally ill person can fly if they perceive themselves to be birds? Also sense you believe there to be a god than why isn't he as easy to see and perceive as our left arms?
"Have faith in truth then, by desiring that the truth be true. Do you want what i am telling you to be true? It will not be true because you want it to be true. Rather, you shall know it is true because you want it to be true. And here is the definition of true forgiveness: Let the truth be true, unmolested by rationalizations that would convince you otherwise." -Basically that entire paragraph claims anything can true as long as you perceive it to be true. Guess who else thinks like that I am? Narcissist's, pathological liars and people suffering from psychosis.
I am just for a second imagine if a person in a court room spoke like you. They would be charged with contempt after about three minutes. You cannot be charged with contempt on a forum but you ultimately paint contempt upon the religion you defend.
Believe what your happy believing but the more you stray away from straight answers the more you hurt your argument and your religion as a whole.
Perhaps there aren't many straight questions. I'll count these as straight questions and give a straight answer. I don't expect the answer to hold up in any lower court of judgement...basically any court on the face of the earth. "To thine own Self be true" so-to-speak. I am sharing, not convincing. As I give, I recieve. So who or what am I doing this for?
There are many voices here who express confusion. I am merely converting their use of cyber space for clarification for my edification...and their's if they want. But we are one, so again, who is this for?
I am the student in the front row. YOu are expecting me to articulate clearly the most closely held secrets in the universe, when fact is, the universe exists to utterly confuse the issue...turn everything upside down...and make sanity look like foolishness. To you maybe my answers look wicked. You are percieving through biased mental filters. Your snap judgments about my answers will merely trap you where you are...not me.
That said, I am attempting to honor any genuine questions about what I am pointing to using modes of communication [words] specifically designed to block the natural communion of the Kingdom of God [Reality]. I am honoring all actual questions with the straightest answer available to my level of understanding. As I understand more, the answer may or may not be straighter for you, because what I am proposing is *unbelievable* when first heard.
My monologues are scary because they question your very existence as a *person* and inform you that your reality is equal to a power that can make "the universe" in the blink of an eye for a toy.
All the "evidence" is on your side. I am a lone voice in the desert. I am saying that your "evidence" is presented by a *false witness*. I'm not suprised you will try to use perception against me because that is what is was made for!
Your argument does not follow. All "things" are held in perception, yes. Quantum physics suggests that observation determines the behavoir of light, whether it will manifest in waves or particles. I am saying that "the universe" is some "thing" that is *observed*. It is not observed because it is there. It it there because it is observed, wished for...wanted. It is like an all-seeing eye which sees [percieves] through millions of eyeballs, which don't really see anything at all. They, in turn, see what they want to see.
Mental filters "see" what they want to see, even if it's not there. Eyeballs suggest that the body does something. They don't. It doesn't. Man's experience, as Einstein suggested, is "an optical delusion of consciousness". I call it "magic", having defined what magic is and does so that it can be undone. Other definitions of magic simply cast a spell over your mind and keep you trapped as a *tool* of an all-seeing eye, so-to-speak.
Your arms are "evidence" of an ancient faith which operates by a "law" I will call the "law of perception". Perception is not a law of GoD. It is a made up law, adapted from God's law, which allows you to see what you want and rejoice in it. So perception opens the door to fantasy and magic...ie. "so mote it be"..."let there be light"...etc. You "hoped" for arms, and now you see them and rejoice, even though they are really just weapons against the truth. What an ancient faith made, you *maintain* by your current faith in them....or rather, by your current faith in what they stand for: faith against the truth of oneness [Faith in separation]. You have faith in them because you still *want* them [faith follows desire] because you still want separation. So you still *see* them.
You are confusing "faithfully known" with true knowledge. Knowledge is total. You either know everything, or you know nothing...and have faith instead. You don't know everything about how your arms appear to appear. So you don't know. Therefore, it does not follow that truth and faith appear together in perception. In fact, perception is for blocking out truth of knowlege and defending against it...until perception is "converted" to serve your best interests.
If you think you are a "person" you are already mentally ill. You *were* the totality of everything, and now you think you are a person and a bird thinks it is a bird...ect. As a rule of thumb, if you see "people" or "birds" *out there*, you have withdrawn into insanity within your own mind which encompasses the totality of everything real, as well as everything unreal.
True salvation is specifically for this kind of insanity. A mentally ill person can imagine themselve flying like a bird, even though it is against the nature of humanhood. Likewise, "the universe" of time, space and form is something imagined in a sick mind in need of healing. This is your mind on "drugs"...ie. "judgement".
Judgement states that "anything can be true as long as you perceive it to be true". Translation: "What you can concieve and believe you can achieve". This leads to mental illness because it leads away from reality...which is unchangeably true. Would you not agree that if you walked away from reality you would be "going insane"? The parable of the prodigal Son is just such a story...the wandering away from reality...in your own mind! "The universe" is a foreign, "far off land", to which you go and make your new home, calling it "home". It is not home. It is "hell". In hell there are: "narcissist's, pathological liars and people suffering from psychosis".
The way out of hell is to reverse the processes that led in. So, salvation is really about ending psychological conflict on a cosmic scale.
"The universe" is about delusions of grandiosity.
The "Kingdom of God" is about the truth of grandeur.
Both are in your mind..."within". One is the real You, the other is a self-concept. End the conflict by choosing which you truly desire. You "cannot serve two masters"...means, you cannot serve truth and illusion [perception] at the same time.
Christ!