if we say that science does not know exactly how it happened yet does that make any more likely that biblegod did it? if natural causes sounds unlikely to you why do you jump to supernatural causes?
Question for the Athiests
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I think it happened when I was 16 when I was screwing my girlfriend.
Kind of a mini-revelation. She was divine. I couldn't believe she or anyone could evolve from dust and return to dust. So I was turned on to the idea of gOd, which is the gOd of the "big O". This is gOd the hooker, the tempter...the gOd which makes "the universe". Science now indicates that the "big O" is a lot like heroin on the central nervous/brain system. So it was an erection that pointed my in the direction of gOd. When I broke up with her, I really screwed myself. I could kinda see that I was experiencing insanity, and I felt super guilty to the point of despair. "gOd" really set me up good. So, in the two or so years after high school I remember going to the library often. I would look at all the books and think, 'somewhere in here has got to be the truth.' And I would look around. I was probably looking for the gOd of the "big O" but willing for whatever.
What you're not understanding is that all truth comes from within. People and books are within me. And if anyone wants the truth, the people, the books, and the epiphanys from "within" will answer their call. Within me are also stupid books, and mindless people. These are symptomatic of the initial confusion that begets "the universe" in the first place. There are mostly stupid books and mindless people because "the universe" begins on 99.999999% mindless stupidity. Among the ignorant, memes pass for "knowledge", passing from mind to mind, which is really one mind.
The three epiphanys I outlined were the most powerful messages I recieved, despite all the voices and memes that I heard and looked at. It may sound cliche, but the word of GoD is living and active. It is only in retrospect that I recognize them as the word of GoD. At the time, they were just voiceless messages that were stronger than any message I ever heard with ears. Their hallmark was a deep certainty, like a mini-knowing. I accepted them. Now, whether they are true or not is kind of moot. You go with what you know. And if you only know three little things, then go with them. I trust that I am asking for truth with integrity. Why should I not take these messages for truth?
These three ephiphanys served as lights and guides which have brought me to where I am now in a gradually awakening awareness of who and what I really am. Who and what I am is my "home". It is entirely free of fear so it's legit. I am responsible for concepts of fear . "The universe" is something that happens to me. So I am responsible for "the universe".
Christ!
You must not be reading my posts. I described how I radically questioned my beliefs at least four times. Even while modeling "Jesus" I did not allow myself to be attached to what did not feel right deep down. The two different characters I have modeled are at odds with each other in their purpose and direction. One I consider a fraud, and the other I consider authentic. Meanwhile, my buddy from Catholic catechism class hasn't questioned his beliefs one inch.
You just don't get it. Sit up and pay attention. Move to the front of the class. In the past 2.5 years, I have questioned everything I thought I knew or believed in the previous 44. I am hooked on what I consider certain and sensible, and proceeding from the most influential voice in the world regarding a LIFE orientation.
Christ!
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I think it happened when I was 16 when I was screwing my girlfriend.
Fine don't believe she evolved from dust.
I don't believe anyone has either.
Just because you don't believe she has evolved from dust doesn't mean that some supreme god created people in the first place.
You know there are philosophical methods of figuring out life to a greater extent but you have to admit you truly don't know there is a god.
Your question includes an ASSUMPTION that someone/something had to create things.
To ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and ME...well maybe just you if you can't accept that neither side has an evidence-based, solvent answer. Some things "just are" so why ask why?
Some questions are best answered with another question.
If god made us, who made him? Such a simple question but it annihilates your whole premise.
Just because you wish for truth doesn't mean you will find it.
Yah. I've said the supreme GoD has nOt created people and that whatever they are, they are not true creations. I've said that gOd is an imagination machine given the power of belief. People are images it projects for fantasy scenarios unlike GoDly truth.
At that time, I could not distinguish between truth and fantasy. My mind defaulted to the kind of argument that starts this thread. It's just not probable that order and symetry and feelings can be without a cause of sorts...even if the cause is a deception.
Now I am looking at what causes the apparent deception. I've looked at many modes of thought and can recognize patterns when placed side-by-side with the thought stream I am currently studying. Pattern recognition is a useful skill in trading, and it is also useful in the *ultimate trade*. I have begun with a postulate(s) and have observed patterns that support its explaination of the truth relative to "the universe".
In terms of certainty, my certainty-O-meter is peaking.
Christ!
Explain how do you get from no Creator (ie no existence) to a Creator?
Even if you have an eternity, how do you get from nothing to a Creator without a Creator?
A Creator only describes the idea that a Creator is necessary before anything can exist. So explain how you get a Creator from a Creator ?
Answer: An eternal creator who was never created, i.e. always existed.
Next question please.
Next question please.
Life from non life?
Hardly.
God is alive, always was, always is, always will be.
Next question please.
The stage is not alive, the play is dead until the actors are injected into the play...then it becomes the living play. Life breathes life into the lifeless and make it a living thing.
Hardly.
God is alive, always was, always is, always will be.
Next question please.
The stage is not alive, the play is dead until the actors are injected into the play...then it becomes the living play. Life breathes life into the lifeless and make it a living thing.