Prominent Scientists Declare Climate Claims Ahead of UN Summit ‘Irrational’ – ‘Based On Nonsense’ –

Frederick Foresight · Dec 18, 2015

wildchild said:
You posted it. I assumed you read it. If you did bother to read it, you would realize they are fact checking things the candidates never said.

I watched the entire debate. Yes, they said those things. So now AP is in on...the conspiracy?

wildchild · Dec 18, 2015

Well you forgot to the second part and actually read what the idiot fact checkers are claiming. Its a two part process. Trying doing both before you open your mouth and look like an idiot.

Frederick Foresight · Dec 18, 2015

wildchild said:
Well you forgot to the second part and actually read what the idiot fact checkers are claiming. Its a two part process. Trying doing both before you open your mouth and look like an idiot.

Okay, name a mistake or lie on the part of the fact checkers.

nitro · Dec 18, 2015

That would be incredible and would warm my heart (no pun intended), but almost impossible to believe with current solar cell technology.

WeToddDid2 said:
According to article, if solar farms with 20% efficient cells were installed in the boxes on map, they would be able to supply the world's energy needs.

nitro · Dec 18, 2015

Here is a good computation. I have not done the obvious further calculations needed in order to figure out how much land you need to dedicate to compute the necessary volume to feed the worlds energy needs:

Ricter · Dec 18, 2015

nitro said:
Here is a good computation. I have not done the obvious further calculations needed in order to figure out how much land you need to dedicate to compute the necessary volume to feed the worlds energy needs:

That was a great series.

WeToddDid2 · Dec 18, 2015

nitro said:
That would be incredible and would warm my heart (no pun intended), but almost impossible to believe with current solar cell technology.

The areas on the map are based on 20% efficient cells.

That happened earlier this year. So the technology already exist.

I posted the technology. Here is the technology again.

http://cleantechnica.com/2015/05/01/3-solar-cell-efficiency-records-just-4-days/

"All three efficiency records seem to be associated with mass-produced solar PV modules and there remains huge potential to further increase the efficiency. Trina Solar also holds the world record for efficiency for lab-based multi-crystalline silicon PV modules. That record currently stands at 20.8%.[emphasis mine]"

ETcallhome · Dec 18, 2015

the problem with massive solar fields is you need a massive grid, and that is where we are most vulnerable. My dream is localized energy plants. Every neighborhood has their own energy source, Any problems can be easily fixed and nationally we would be more diversified.

gwb-trading · Dec 18, 2015

ETcallhome said:
the problem with massive solar fileds is you need a massive grid, and that is where we are most vulnerable. My dream is localized energy plants. Every neighborhood has their own energy source, Any problems can be easily fixed and nationally we would be more diversified.

As you outlined - a localized deployment based on a micro-grid infrastructure is a much better plan.

However this requires a complete restructuring of the electrical grid in most nations. The current grid is based on large centralized power plants with an associated "macro-grid".

ETcallhome · Dec 18, 2015

gwb-trading said:
As you outlined - a localized deployment based on a micro-grid infrastructure is a much better plan.

However this requires a complete restructuring of the electrical grid in most nations. The current grid is based on large centralized power plants with an associated "macro-grid".

how ironic, "large centralized power"