"Price TA" Traders Dream Market Come True...

[tomorton]

It certainly will not : Over the shorter or longer term it dose not out weigh the Longer Buy & Hold at a Security but more people will think this is so because they are enable to do either Bud - Well & too your second point would have been reliable - if you could find the trends at dips and/or at highs in the first place as the use of indicators can be so Random as of Market Fluctuation.

I'm not sure what point you're making, your answer is hard to understand.

 

[themickey]

Ditto on the tops/bottoms.... short term and longer. There is also "giving the benefit of the doubt to the trend". That can be dicey as stop placement is more iffy.

I once saw a quote where PTJ stated... "conventional wisdom is don't try to pick tops and bottoms.... I've made 10 times more money trying to pick them than I ever made trying to not pick them".

Amen and amen again to that.

 

[peter matthew matty]

I'm not sure what point you're making, your answer is hard to understand.

You were saying that it is better to Buy on Valleys and Sell on Hills Bud than to Hold long term positions - and that interday bargaining was better at rising the capital a bit more readily - I simply is saying that it isn`t - Buy & Hold over Long Term can prove to be more rewarding.

 

[tomorton]

You were saying that it is better to Buy on Valleys and Sell on Hills Bud than to Hold long term positions - and that interday bargaining was better at rising the capital a bit more readily - I simply is saying that it isn`t - Buy & Hold over Long Term can prove to be more rewarding.

No, this is delusion. I understand the long-run return on the S&P is about 5 and a half % per year.

 

[aldrums]

You can also watch that same price, and as soon as you see even a 1 or 2 tic bounce at that price, you can play that it "did" hold.

This option ain’t so great. You never know when the buyers will stop buying or the sellers will stop selling. If you are waiting for the bounce, you are probably getting in too late.

 

[themickey]

It makes me kind of cringe and think how more stupid can this get, when someone tells another they are doing it wrong when the 1st party is actually making money.
There must be scores of ways to profitably trade, there is no point a cat telling a dog it's not barking the right way.

 

[Zodiac4u]

This option ain’t so great. You never know when the buyers will stop buying or the sellers will stop selling. If you are waiting for the bounce, you are probably getting in too late.

Its a method for Jack be nimble and Jack be quick. Trading in this environment during times of volatility is not for the faint of heart and is more suited for the more knowledgeable Trader.
Markets will do reversals on a dime and if you sit to long with a profit the market will pick your pockets dry. Best not to be, too piggy and take your profits when your day trading. We have unusual swings and theirs nothing wrong with pulling out $300 bucks in a minute or two. you can always go back if were trending.

You are correct in saying if you wait for the bounce to long, you will find yourself sitting through a pullback or a reversal.

 

[Handle123]

Trend following or chop following, in either case your trying to catch tops/bottoms.So, what else is there?

The middle. More fake signals going to upside than down side. I look at the middle as more signals generated, want get in early in middle after up thrust then retrace and if short, reverse on the retrace

 

[peter matthew matty]

No, this is delusion. I understand the long-run return on the S&P is about 5 and a half % per year.

Wow A 5.5% percent return - It would than depend on what Leverage you were using to trade the Derivative as a start - Than you are saying that you are capable of trade the S & P 500 over the past 9 years it has been at Swing High - By allocating to all the dips that were involved and still come out to be the winner - While the guy that bought from the present Low at Buy & Hold over 9 years would still maintain a very decent profit - If you knew where the Index was heading in the first place. There is a proven system to trading any Derivative at good profit over the Monthly Chart Cycle - So if you were so concerned than you would be able to identity when the Derivative would become Overbought over the Monthly Chart Cycle High - As well to Pin-Point the exact return Low Point as the Presents of Low become available to you - From the Highest Point of the Swing High Phase. Work it out Bud ? Its that Simple.

 

[tomorton]

Wow A 5.5% percent return - It would than depend on what Leverage you were using to trade the Derivative as a start - Than you are saying that you are capable of trade the S & P 500 over the past 9 years it has been at Swing High - By allocating to all the dips that were involved and still come out to be the winner - While the guy that bought from the present Low at Buy & Hold over 9 years would still maintain a very decent profit - If you knew where the Index was heading in the first place. There is a proven system to trading any Derivative at good profit over the Monthly Chart Cycle - So if you were so concerned than you would be able to identity when the Derivative would become Overbought over the Monthly Chart Cycle High - As well to Pin-Point the exact return Low Point as the Presents of Low become available to you - From the Highest Point of the Swing High Phase. Work it out Bud ? Its that Simple.

Its not a matter of ability, its just maths. for the last 9 years we've had a bull market in the S&P etc. Buy-and-hold is a life-time strategy so 9-year periods are not a suitable accounting period to measure the strategy's success. The last 9 year period is certainly not typical behaviour of the major indices over the average 9 years.

You will know that the previous 9 year period was a terrible loser for buy-and-hold investors but presented a great opportunity for traders who simply followed the trends. How would an investor buying the market 18 years ago have made money by 2009? Although they have made money now off the 2009-2018 bull market, that price behaviour was unpredictable in 2009.