Quote from OPTIONAL777:
Flaming is another term for attacking a person, and not their position.
By labeling anyone "idiot" "loony" "nutjob" "childish" etc. you are suggesting that their present behavior, or their opinions expressed are due to a static condition of being a lunatic, an idiot, a child, etc.
You have a habit of not addressing the issue, but labeling the person who brings forth the issue.
This is flaming someone, and is a tactic used by both the left and right, but most often by the right wingers when they lack the ability to make an argument strong enough to defeat the opinions of an political opponent concerning an issue at hand, so they resort to denouncing the person who espouses the idea.....thinking if they create the impression that a person is an idiot or a lunatic, then all their thinking that follows must be idiotic or lunacy.
In logical argumentation, it is called an ad hominem attack, and I am not the first person in this forum who has brought your techniques of employing ad hominem and flaming tactics to your attention.
I'll leave it to others who are familiar with my posts to determine whether it is my habit to address whatever issue is under discussion, or instead to rely on attacks and labels.
People who attempt to weave conspiracy theories around the Waco incident - or who insult American political leaders, the American political system, or American culture with scurrilous and base accusations - deserve to be offended.
You expressed your opinions in an ad hominem manner, not providing an argument for those opinions.
Get over it. Harold Pinter has been called much worse by many other people. If you'd like to start a Harold Pinter or Arundhati Roy or leading-political-bloviators thread, then we can go into their public statements on Iraq and other matters in detail.
You can focus on what I do, but is that done to say what you do is right, because I do it too? Is this just another means of justification or rationalization?
Is this your way of saying that you are not a principled man, but simply one who follows the behavior of others, and justifies it on the basis of what others do?
No, this is my way of saying that your attacks have no credibility. I look forward, though not very eagerly, to your next exercise in taking remarks of mine out of context and attempting to demonstrate with them that I do not argue on the basis of fact and logic.
Your statements suggest that you either know very little about right wing extremists, the majority of whom hold views very different from mine, or that you are demonstrating another aspect of your customary hypocrisy - flaming me while pretending to deplore the practice, using a loaded term to argue by way of insults and generalized guilt by association rather than with logic or evidence. I challenge you to point to an "extreme" point of view that I've offered, or to give an example of an "extremist" whose views you believe are similar to mine. Until you do so, then I'll assume that anyone who has points of view different from yours, and who argues them tenaciously, must qualify as an extremist in your political dictionary.
Typical tactic, focus on someone else's behavior to dodge the question.
What question would that be? I denied being an extremist. I denied relying on ad hominem or other cheap tactics in debate. I may get in a dig now and then - so what? - but I'm not ashamed of my own dig-vs.-analysis ratio.
Extreme is a relative term. In today's political climate, moderates are viewed as extremists from the far right perspective. My perspective on extreme is one who denies evidence, or the validity of evidence in order to maintain their opinion, which I believe I have seen you do when it comes to the issue of the war and justification of it in spite of questions of the reasons given by Bush and company for the urgent need to have a war.
Get ready for what you may choose to consider an ad hominem attack - if you can't stand someone telling you exactly what he thinks, then I suggest you go somewhere else. Got it? I now consider you duly warned: Your position is moronic. Okay, that was the topic sentence. If you've recovered, you can now take offense and, with a few points and clicks, drag the words out of context in order to attempt to demonstrate that I merely attack people using generalizations, rather than backing them up with analysis.
Okay, now here's the analysis - which, if you follow one of your favorite tactics, you may choose to ignore: In a political context, the label "extremist" applies to the Timothy McVeighs of the world, the Nazis and Identity radicals on the right, perhaps by the Spartacists and other cultlike revolutionaryies on the left. Sharing a position and a perspective that also happens to be shared by a very substantial number of Americans - the majority according to the most recent opinion polls - cannot justify the use of the term "extremist." It is shoddy language and reflects shoddy thinking. Or maybe, coming from a hypocrite such as yourself, it merely represents your usual self-serving dishonesty.
If attempting to support such a position - that whatever Bush Administration misstatements on the war do not seriously affect the core case for it, as made and accepted - makes one an extremist, then what do you want to call the McVeighs? I guess you don't want to call 'em nutjobs - as that might hurt their feelings (though McVeigh at least is immune). I await your suggestions, though I don't promise to follow them.
You are offended? Good. I imagine those who run the web-sites you term loony and nutjobs are offended at your comments as well.
I guess they can sue me for the emotional harm.
I'd really thought you'd gotten over the need to make every discussion a pissing contest, and were through with trying to make things personal between us.
I'd really though you'd gotten over the need to use inflammatory language and ad hominem attacks.
Hypocrites such as yourself, as well as individuals who make irresponsible charges against public figures or who push lies and distortions on behalf of paranoid conclusions about public policies, while directly or implicitly directing horrendous insults and harsh accusations against all those who disagree with them, deserve to be ridiculed. Ridicule serves a social good in such cases.
Behave with consistency, intellectual honesty, and basic civility, and you won't have to worry about me disturbing your tender sensibilities.
