POLL: The repercussions of a US attack on Iraq

[traderfut2000]

Fairplay,

Just don't give those morons too much importance. When it deals with jews or whites it's always the same song we saved the planet. Just say that to the latin american, the black slaves, the indians, the viets, the Iraqis, the cubans, the africans..... They will certainly smile

May be the black people you humiliated till the late 60's represents nothing to you but what you did to them is certainly not even comparable to what Hitler did to the Jews. May be what I say seems chocking but look at the facts. Black people were taken from Africa like animals and treated like animals during 2 centuries!!! Did Hitler do that??? I am asking??? The jews suffered at most 5/10 years and yet till today you are doing a lot of noise on that subject. And please don't accuse me of being anti semite, I am a semite and I have a great respect for jews except Sharon and the bloody colons.

When the victims are black asian arabs strangely it becomes just normal casualties. You said it, the WWII was nothing compared to what happened after and the US were involved in all the war crimes that occured after WWII and yet they alway go back to the WWII and say hey! we saved planet earth!!! From what ??? you killed probably much more people than Hitler Mussolini and Staline together and yet you believe you saved the planet???

Now you want to attack what??? Iraq, a country where you already killed 1.5 million people among them 500,000 were under 5 years old!!! Is that the way you view development and civilization??? I don't...

Germany is certainly today the most civilized country on the planet and yet they were on the darkest side. I hope the US will open it's eyes and become real civilized and stop being the savage country it always was after the WWII.

Quote from fairplay:

What is your problem TM? The whole world is turning against the US like it was against Germany in the 1940s.

Don't always harp on that Jewish thing: yes, the holocaust was a horrible crime and all those who were involved in committing it should have died with the back to the wall and not in bed.

I do not want to get into that numbers game, but do you realise that the more the world population grows, the more there are crimes committed, sometimes on so-called "racial" grounds. Or religious, Or call it ethnic. How many people do you think died as a consequence of the partition of India after independence in 1947? More than in connection with WW2? And they died for "religious" reasons: hindus vs. moslems!

Sorry, I am fed up with this old badgering about other people being racist, I am not interested. For me there is only one race, the human race. And if you keep talking about some European leaders' past, you move this discussion away from the subject: "The repercussions of a US attack in Iraq"! That is the issue here.

Or do you really want to hear all those sob stories again on people who get bounced off planes in the US because they look suspiciously Arab?

 

[TM_Direct]

"Black people were taken from Africa like animals and treated like animals during 2 centuries!!! Did Hitler do that??? I am asking??? The jews suffered at most 5/10 years and yet till today you are doing a lot of noise on that subject. And please don't accuse me of being anti semite, I am a semite and I have a great respect for jews except Sharon and the bloody colons. "


Just a quick question: Who brought the slaves to america?
EUROPEANS!!!!!!

Who Invaded and conquered the Indians? EUROPEANS

 

[traderfut2000]

Who are americans ????

White europeans and a strong jewish minority.
May be you forgot your own history, but black remained slaves even after the USA was created..

Quote from TM_Direct:

"Black people were taken from Africa like animals and treated like animals during 2 centuries!!! Did Hitler do that??? I am asking??? The jews suffered at most 5/10 years and yet till today you are doing a lot of noise on that subject. And please don't accuse me of being anti semite, I am a semite and I have a great respect for jews except Sharon and the bloody colons. "


Just a quick question: Who brought the slaves to america?
EUROPEANS!!!!!!

Who Invaded and conquered the Indians? EUROPEANS

 

[TM_Direct]

Germany is certainly today the most civilized country on the planet and yet they were on the darkest side. I hope the US will open it's eyes and become real civilized and stop being the savage country it always was after the

The most civilized ? Sure if you are white, skin headed and believe that Hitler will come again..the swastikas are still alive and well in germany...and france

 

[OPTIONAL777]

Quote from traderfut2000:

May be what I say seems chocking but look at the facts. Black people were taken from Africa like animals and treated like animals during 2 centuries!!! Did Hitler do that??? I am asking??? The jews suffered at most 5/10 years and yet till today you are doing a lot of noise on that subject. And please don't accuse me of being anti semite, I am a semite and I have a great respect for jews except Sharon and the bloody colons.

Yes, what you are saying is indeed chocking.

In fact, I am chocking up my breakfast just reading it.

Anyone who tries to compare one wrong action to another, one sin to another, is trying to minimize one wrong to rationalize another wrong-----in order to support a political agenda.

Abuse is abuse.

Wrong is wrong. That those compare one wrong to another in order to rationalize something.....that is just plain wrong.

Accuse you of being anti-semitic? No, not strictly speaking, as being of the semitic ancestry doesn't not require being Jewish to qualify for that designation. A norwegian born man could convert to Judiasm, but is he semetic?

Anti Jewish? Yes, I do categorize you that way.

Full of hatred? Yes, I do categorize you that way.

Given to rationalization, and twist facts to support your agenda? Yes, I do categorize you that way.

Yes, there are degrees of murder in America...manslaughter all the way to first degree murder with special circumstances....but in the eyes of the law, they are all murder.

It is the punishment that is flexible, not the wrong doing in the eyes of those who judge wrong actions.

You sound like a 5 year old who is punished, and for his defense he cries: "But Bobby did something worse than me....."



Sem·ite
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n.
A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.


Se·mit·ic
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adj.
Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.

 

[TM_Direct]

Yeah, but by the 1800's fought a war to abolish slavery.....THE GERMANS HAD SLAVES IN THE 1940'S...THEY USED JEWISH SLAVES TO BUILD RUNWAYS AND WEAPONS...


...when you get a chance you might want to rent Schindler's list by steven speilberg.....slaves .....you cowards...

 

[traderfut2000]

Have a nice week end


TF

 

[traderfut2000]

Schindler was a very good movie... But you are funny man. Of course the Jews were used as slaves, but 5/10 years comapre that to the suffering of the black people in your own country..
Not even comparable.. Have a look at roots and read some more about black history. If you are objective you are going to be ashamed of your own words... I can assure you

The USa is defending the interests of multnational full point. Not democracy or the rights of the US citizens. it always was like that. Now it's up to you to open your eyes and stop bullshitting

TF

Quote from TM_Direct:

Yeah, but by the 1800's fought a war to abolish slavery.....THE GERMANS HAD SLAVES IN THE 1940'S...THEY USED JEWISH SLAVES TO BUILD RUNWAYS AND WEAPONS...


...when you get a chance you might want to rent Schindler's list by steven speilberg.....slaves .....you cowards...

 

[traderfut2000]

Quote from traderfut2000:




Was slavery abolished??? NO, till the 1960's black suffered injustice and discrimination in your country.

Schindler was a very good movie... But you are funny man. Of course the Jews were used as slaves, but 5/10 years comapre that to the suffering of the black people in your own country..
Not even comparable.. Have a look at roots and read some more about black history. If you are objective you are going to be ashamed of your own words... I can assure you

The USa is defending the interests of multnational full point. Not democracy or the rights of the US citizens. it always was like that. Now it's up to you to open your eyes and stop bullshitting

TF

 

[traderfut2000]

http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives/100298/100298l.htm

By ROBERT BOWMAN

Tell people the truth, Mr. President -- about terrorism. If deceptions about terrorism go unchallenged, then the threat will continue until it destroys us.

The truth is that none of our thousands of nuclear weapons can protect us from these threats. No Star Wars system -- no matter how technically advanced, no matter how many trillions of dollars are poured into it -- can protect us from a nuclear weapon delivered in a sailboat or a Cessna or a suitcase or a Ryder rental truck. Not one weapon in our vast arsenal, not a penny of the $270 billion a year we spend on so-called defense can defend against a terrorist bomb. That is a military fact.

As a retired lieutenant colonel and a frequent lecturer on national security issues, I have often quoted Psalm 33: “A king is not saved by his mighty army. A warrior is not saved by his great strength.” The obvious reaction is, “Then what can we do? Is there nothing we can do to provide security for our people?”

There is. But to understand it requires that we know the truth about the threat. Mr. President, you did not tell the American people the truth about why we are the targets of terrorism when you explained why we bombed Afghanistan and Sudan. You said that we are a target because we stand for democracy, freedom and human rights in the world. Nonsense!

We are the target of terrorists because, in much of the world, our government stands for dictatorship, bondage and human exploitation. We are the target of terrorists because we are hated. And we are hated because our government has done hateful things.

In how many countries have agents of our government deposed popularly elected leaders and replaced them with puppet military dictators who were willing to sell out their own people to American multinational corporations?

We did it in Iran when the U.S. Marines and the CIA deposed Mossadegh because he wanted to nationalize the oil industry. We replaced him with the Shah and armed, trained and paid his hated Savak national guard, which enslaved and brutalized the people of Iran -- all to protect the financial interests of our oil companies. Is it any wonder that there are people in Iran who hate us?

We did it in Chile. We did it in Vietnam. More recently, we tried to do it in Iraq.

And, of course, how many times have we done it in Nicaragua and all the other banana republics of Latin America? Time after time we have ousted popular leaders who wanted the riches of the land to be shared by the people who worked it. We replaced them with murderous tyrants who would sell out their own people so the wealth of the land could be taken out by the likes of Domino Sugar, the United Fruit Company, Folgers and Chiquita Banana.

In country after country, our government has thwarted democracy, stifled freedom and trampled human rights. That’s why it is hated around the world. And that’s why we’re the target of terrorists.

People in Canada enjoy democracy, freedom and human rights. So do the people of Norway and Sweden. Have you heard of Canadian embassies being bombed? Or Norwegian, or Swedish?

We are not hated because we practice democracy, freedom and human rights. We are hated because our government denies these things to people in Third World countries whose resources are coveted by our multinational corporations. That hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism -- and in the future, nuclear terrorism.

Once the truth about why the threat exists is understood, the solution becomes obvious. We must change our ways. Getting rid of our nuclear weapons -- unilaterally if necessary -- will enhance our security. Drastically altering our foreign policy will ensure it.

Instead of sending our sons and daughters around the world to kill Arabs so we can have the oil under their sand, we should send them to rebuild their infrastructure, supply clean water and feed starving children. Instead of continuing to kill thousands of Iraqi children every day with our sanctions, we should help Iraqis rebuild their electric power plants, their water treatment facilities, their hospitals -- all the things we destroyed and prevented them from rebuilding with sanctions.

Instead of training terrorists and death squads, we should close the School of the Americas. Instead of supporting insurrection, destabilization, assassination and terror around the world, we should abolish the CIA and give the money to relief agencies.

In short, we should do good instead of evil. Who would try to stop us? Who would hate us? Who would want to bomb us?

That is the truth, Mr. President. That’s what the American people need to hear.

Robert Bowman flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is presently bishop of the United Catholic Church in Melbourne Beach, Fla.

National Catholic Reporter, October 2, 1998