POLL: The repercussions of a US attack on Iraq
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If you really need to know, hapaboy, I am a - you would probably call me gook - Indonesian.
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fairplay,
âThe order was to destroy My Lai and everything in it.â
And the fully premeditated intention of Charlie Company was to murder every last man, woman and child in it as well.
Even though they were assigned to commit this routine American war crime by their officers, the soldiersâ personal motivation for the My Lai massacre was rape, revenge and racism â the Three Râs of the bestial education provided by the U.S. military. American troops were trained by the U.S. Army to see Vietnamese people as âthingsâ or âanimals.â GIs joked that âanything thatâs dead and isnât White is a VC.â Any Vietnamese woman or girl was fair game. In their own sick minds, American soldiers dehumanized the Vietnamese people by thinking of them as âgooks.â
Seymour Hersh wrote of Charlie Company that by March of 1968 âmany in the company had given in to an easy pattern of violence.â Such soldiers were totally blind to the humanity of the Vietnamese people because the American soldiers had degraded themselves to the status of filthy, evil, bloodthirsty animals. It takes a human being to recognize the humanity in another. A great many American soldiers chose to murder their own humanity with the officially-encouraged sadism of the Vietnam Genocide.
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Encouraged by their evil officers, sadistic American soldiers systematically beat and tortured unarmed civilian people, sometimes using electric shocks to the genitals of both men and women. American soldiers murdered many civilian people in cold blood, usually by shooting or stabbing them. Shoving them out of high-flying helicopters so they could watch them fall to their deaths was a favorite entertainment. Some American soldiers liked to cut off peopleâs ears. Other American soldiers liked to cut off peopleâs fingers. American soldiers even cut off peopleâs heads. They burned whole villages. They poisoned wells. They shot peopleâs dogs and cattle for fun. It was not uncommon for American soldiers to sodomize and rape women and young girls before murdering them.
But few of these American animals in uniform knew that all their countless atrocities were actually part of a vast operation called the Phoenix Program, an official CIA campaign of massive, systematic terrorism in which Vietnamese people were tortured and murdered by the hundreds of thousands.
To the CIAâs psychopathic way of seeing things, if the Vietnamese people wouldnât listen to âreason" then they would have to be terrorized into submission to our âdemocraticâ and âfreedom lovingâ American capitalist system.
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more at http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/vietnamgenocide/Mylai.html
regards
wild
Quote from fairplay:
If you really need to know, hapaboy, I am a - you would probably call me gook - Indonesian.
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fairplay,
âThe order was to destroy My Lai and everything in it.â
And the fully premeditated intention of Charlie Company was to murder every last man, woman and child in it as well.
Even though they were assigned to commit this routine American war crime by their officers, the soldiersâ personal motivation for the My Lai massacre was rape, revenge and racism â the Three Râs of the bestial education provided by the U.S. military. American troops were trained by the U.S. Army to see Vietnamese people as âthingsâ or âanimals.â GIs joked that âanything thatâs dead and isnât White is a VC.â Any Vietnamese woman or girl was fair game. In their own sick minds, American soldiers dehumanized the Vietnamese people by thinking of them as âgooks.â
Seymour Hersh wrote of Charlie Company that by March of 1968 âmany in the company had given in to an easy pattern of violence.â Such soldiers were totally blind to the humanity of the Vietnamese people because the American soldiers had degraded themselves to the status of filthy, evil, bloodthirsty animals. It takes a human being to recognize the humanity in another. A great many American soldiers chose to murder their own humanity with the officially-encouraged sadism of the Vietnam Genocide.
...
Encouraged by their evil officers, sadistic American soldiers systematically beat and tortured unarmed civilian people, sometimes using electric shocks to the genitals of both men and women. American soldiers murdered many civilian people in cold blood, usually by shooting or stabbing them. Shoving them out of high-flying helicopters so they could watch them fall to their deaths was a favorite entertainment. Some American soldiers liked to cut off peopleâs ears. Other American soldiers liked to cut off peopleâs fingers. American soldiers even cut off peopleâs heads. They burned whole villages. They poisoned wells. They shot peopleâs dogs and cattle for fun. It was not uncommon for American soldiers to sodomize and rape women and young girls before murdering them.
But few of these American animals in uniform knew that all their countless atrocities were actually part of a vast operation called the Phoenix Program, an official CIA campaign of massive, systematic terrorism in which Vietnamese people were tortured and murdered by the hundreds of thousands.
To the CIAâs psychopathic way of seeing things, if the Vietnamese people wouldnât listen to âreason" then they would have to be terrorized into submission to our âdemocraticâ and âfreedom lovingâ American capitalist system.
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more at http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/vietnamgenocide/Mylai.html
regards
wild
Wow, it doesn't take very much to set off Wild. Mr. Hair-Trigger. Too bad you weren't in Vietnam, you would probably empty a clip at the enemy as fast as you use your Cut & Paste "ammo" here on ET. However, I would suggest short bursts and single fire for better effect in either theatre.
Now you're showing your true colors by calling me that. You may choose to demean yourself by referring to yourself in that way, but do not call me that again. I ridicule your intellect and reasoning, if it can be called that, but I have never referred to you in a racist way.
Did I say you had to speak German? No. But given the prevalence of German in the world, not to mention the effect its native speakers have had on world history the past century, one would think you would recognize it.
The sad truth is that women are mistreated all over the world. The difference is that it is not socially and/or religiously accepted in the US. You cannot say the same thing for much of the Islamic world, including Indonesia.
This thread does not relate to Bali. The Iraq crisis is a direct result of 9/11. As horrible as the Bali bombing was, the targets and vast majority of the victims killed were NOT Indonesian. I hope you knew that - it would be incredibly ignorant not to know the facts of such an attack in your own country. To save face, perhaps you should consult Wild. He will tell you all the victims were indeed Indonesians, and that the Australian, British, GERMAN, Swedish, Danish, Swiss, Japanese, French, South Korean, Ecuadorian, Dutch, New Zealand, Singaporean, American and Taiwanese governments worked together in a conspiracy to alter the faces and documents of the Indonesian victims so that the world would believe they were in fact tourists. This was all financed by the Jews, by the way....
Your friend, like you, is a joke. I never said the margin of victory was in the millions, but that millions voted for Bush. And if you want to discuss a corrupt government or country, good grief, you need to look no further than outside your own window. Your country is arguably the most corrupt on earth, from the government to the judiciary to the military to the corporate sector. Does the name "Suharto" ring a bell?
Global conflict? We're talking about one country here. And gee, sorry for the inconvenience, but the very survival of my country is at stake. Indonesia has not been earmarked for annihilation. And speaking of problems, do you think the US won't have any problems as a result? Our leadership understands that the greater danger lies in not intervening because failure to do so threatens the very existence of my country down the road.
There you go, showing your ignorance again. And you never answered my question: HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO THE U.S.?
Did I ever say the US invented the Internet? No! Fairplay, why do you always attribute statements to me that I never make? And besides, every American knows that Al Gore invented the Internet.
I think I shall add you to the Ignore list as I have Wild. Not only are you irritating, but it is too easy to debunk most of what you write.
For all we know, he's sitting in Hamburg in some roach-infested apartment, pizza delivery boxes everywhere, sitting at some table strewn with diagrams, chemical formulas, microscopes, and TNT, reading "Suicide Bombing For Dummies" & the CliffsNotes edition of "I Hate America, a How-To-Primer" co-authored by Fairplay, Madison, & Candle.
He's been avoiding this forever. I wonder why....
So Wild, come out, come out wherever you are and tell us......
He's been avoiding this forever. I wonder why....
So Wild, come out, come out wherever you are and tell us......
Hapaboy,
hahaha, do you have a problem with wild? What is wrong with beating the enemy with his own weapons?
Thousands of years ago there was a strategist in China, his name was Sun Tzu, and probably wild has studied his works. Like the "gooks" in Vietnam did and beat three of the world's largest armies:
1st the French: does the name Dien Bien Phu ring a bell? By the way: most of the French army was manned with soldiers of the famous/infamous "Legion Etrangere", and in the post war years they were mostly young German men who had left their own country as they had no hope for a better life.
2nd the combined South Vietnamese/US forces. And that after General Westmoreland had promised to bomb the country back into stone age!
3rd the Chinese army. Too bad but Ho Chi Minh spoke a much better and more refined Mandarin than that peasant from Hunan!
By the way: what some people (yes including those millions who voted for "dubyah") think is a limited conflict between two countries, is in fact a global conflict: the downside of globalisation. Are you still surprised that there are people who publicly demonstrate against "G"? And the bomb in Bali is as much related to that global conflict as was the attack on the WTC or the suicide bombers in Palestine. The fact that most of the people who died there were foreigners murdered by Indonesians shames us Indonesians: the Qur'an teaches us to treat our guests with respect and hospitality!
A few words on corrupt governments: sure, by your standards all Indonesian Presidents were "corrupt", but ask any of your Indonesian "friends": most of the Suharto era was a time of stability for the majority of the Javanese, despite his East Timor blunder and even despite the atrocities in Aceh, the degradation of the environment in Kalimantan and elsewhere.
But by other people's standards the way things are in the US (I avoid the term "the West") are totally unacceptable to us here: take your drug problems. Instead of tackling them at home, you send your bullies with machine guns to Colombia or Afghanistan and other places and rob the peasants there of their livelihood. As a propagator of a free market economy you should be aware of the law of supply and demand.
Sure, corruption is disgusting, but so are many other things in this world. I have a few friends in the Philippines who virtually flip out when we talk about the US: too painful are the memories of US arrogance during colonial days, when they were referred to as "little brown brothers", and ( I find that truly revolting!) their women as "lbfm"= "little brown f... machines". And you are surprised that in Asia the US has very few admirers?
But this thread is about "the repercussions of a US attack on Iraq". What I desribed above is only the forerun to that attack: what comes afterwards will be worse. "You ain't seen nothin' yet"
I wish you and yours a peaceful night, "Selamat Malam"!
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wild
Which country really poses the greatest danger to world peace in 2003?
TIME asks for readers' views
http://www.time.com/time/europe/gdml/peace2003.html
regards
wild
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