POLL: The repercussions of a US attack on Iraq
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When America stops murdering innocent people around the world, she need not fear the rest of the world... it's really quite simple...
Gabriel,
I think there have been numerous examples in history - America is only just one case in point - that the rulers have twisted their critics as anti-whatever country. Hitler was good at that, and for the Americans among us here, please remember McCarthy's Commission on "un-American" activities (wild: was that the correct name?)
I did not know that to participate in this discussion you have to be a white north American.
If you really need to know, hapaboy, I am a - you would probably call me gook - Indonesian. Most people in my country refer to themselves as Muslims, but that does not mean they know much about Islam. Just like you. Probably in America there are many people who refer to themselves as Christians, but hardly ever see the inside of a church.
I find your remark on my ignorance of European languages despicable: forgive me but I prefer not to use insulting laguage, even against "trailer-trash" like you!
And after all, it was you who started arguing about German women's armpits. If ever you came to Indonesia, you would be lucky if any woman let you even get a glimpse of hers. If she did, her brother should be around to give you a nice thrashing...
I did not migrate from anywhere to anywhere: globalisation also means that your poor "little brown brethren" have access to computers.
In America, when an administration doesn't play by the rules of a democracy, when they gain too much control, the other branches of Goverment do their job to keep the balance....whether Republican or Democrat.
GOP senators on the warpath
January 13, 2003
BY ROBERT NOVAK SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST Advertisement
Republican senators gathering last Wednesday for their session-opening ''retreat'' should have been happy, blessed with a regained majority and a popular president. They were not. Instead, they complained bitterly of arrogance by the Bush administration, especially the Pentagon, in treatment of Congress along the road to war.
Two years of growing discontent boiled over during the closed-door meeting at the Library of Congress. White House chief of staff Andrew Card was there to hear grievances from President Bush's Senate base that it is ignored and insulted by the administration, particularly by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, in preparing for war against Iraq. Recital of complaints began with Sen. John Warner, a pillar of the Senate GOP establishment.
This is a disconnected time in Washington. Republican senators appreciate that they have returned to majority status thanks to George W. Bush's bold midterm election strategy and his popularity leading the war against terrorism. But their unease about a divided administration on the brink of attacking Iraq is deepened because they are neither consulted nor informed about war plans.
No senator more solidly supports Bush's national security policy than Warner, the 75-year-old chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee who was re-elected last year to a fifth Senate term from Virginia. A veteran of the Navy (World War II) and Marine Corps (Korean War) and a former secretary of the Navy, he has devoted long public service to American's national defense.
Consequently, Warner had his colleagues' attention when he addressed Card. ''I will not tolerate,'' he boomed, ''a continuation of what's been going on the last two years.'' He cited cavalier treatment that denies information even to the venerable top Senate Republican on Armed Services. To specify whom he was talking about, Warner said he had breakfast scheduled the next morning with Rumsfeld and would tell the secretary of defense the same thing.
Next up was Sen. Pat Roberts, a former Marine officer who has spent the last 40 years on Capitol Hill. Roberts, a plain-spoken Midwesterner from Dodge City, Kan., is the new Senate Intelligence Committee chairman. He told Card to mark him down agreeing with everything Warner just said.
Sen. Kit Bond of Missouri next got up to tell Card that the administration had better put out more information justifying military action against Iraq as part of the war against terrorism. ''What is the connection between Iraq and al-Qaida?'' Bond asked. ''Don't worry,'' replied Card, indicating the information would come along.
Two days before the GOP retreat, another leading Republican senator--Ted Stevens of Alaska, incoming chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee and the new Senate president pro tem--sent a letter of protest to the Pentagon. The notoriously short-fused Stevens was furious that Rumsfeld had eliminated funding for two of the eight high-tech Army brigades mandated by Congress. The brigades are built around the new eight-wheeled Stryker combat vehicles.
Stevens, with Sen. Dan Inouye of Hawaii (top Democrat on the defense appropriations subcommittee), wrote that elimination of two Stryker brigades ''is yet another example of the disregard of the Congress, and existing law, by the senior leadership of the Defense Department.'' Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz responded Friday with a conciliatory letter that made no concessions.
Wolfowitz's chief is usually less conciliatory. An old Senate Republican hand explained to me why the senators are upset: ''Rumsfeld's behavior toward senators is dismissive, barely civil, bordering on rude. He has no interest in us other than to get the money, no interest in our opinions.'' Rumsfeld spent more than six years in the House, but that was 44 years ago.
Card responded to complaints by Warner and Roberts with a ''Thank you. I'll pass that along.''
According to administration sources, Bush is aware of the problem but has not yet addressed it. That constitutes one uncompleted war preparation.
GOP senators on the warpath
January 13, 2003
BY ROBERT NOVAK SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST Advertisement
Republican senators gathering last Wednesday for their session-opening ''retreat'' should have been happy, blessed with a regained majority and a popular president. They were not. Instead, they complained bitterly of arrogance by the Bush administration, especially the Pentagon, in treatment of Congress along the road to war.
Two years of growing discontent boiled over during the closed-door meeting at the Library of Congress. White House chief of staff Andrew Card was there to hear grievances from President Bush's Senate base that it is ignored and insulted by the administration, particularly by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, in preparing for war against Iraq. Recital of complaints began with Sen. John Warner, a pillar of the Senate GOP establishment.
This is a disconnected time in Washington. Republican senators appreciate that they have returned to majority status thanks to George W. Bush's bold midterm election strategy and his popularity leading the war against terrorism. But their unease about a divided administration on the brink of attacking Iraq is deepened because they are neither consulted nor informed about war plans.
No senator more solidly supports Bush's national security policy than Warner, the 75-year-old chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee who was re-elected last year to a fifth Senate term from Virginia. A veteran of the Navy (World War II) and Marine Corps (Korean War) and a former secretary of the Navy, he has devoted long public service to American's national defense.
Consequently, Warner had his colleagues' attention when he addressed Card. ''I will not tolerate,'' he boomed, ''a continuation of what's been going on the last two years.'' He cited cavalier treatment that denies information even to the venerable top Senate Republican on Armed Services. To specify whom he was talking about, Warner said he had breakfast scheduled the next morning with Rumsfeld and would tell the secretary of defense the same thing.
Next up was Sen. Pat Roberts, a former Marine officer who has spent the last 40 years on Capitol Hill. Roberts, a plain-spoken Midwesterner from Dodge City, Kan., is the new Senate Intelligence Committee chairman. He told Card to mark him down agreeing with everything Warner just said.
Sen. Kit Bond of Missouri next got up to tell Card that the administration had better put out more information justifying military action against Iraq as part of the war against terrorism. ''What is the connection between Iraq and al-Qaida?'' Bond asked. ''Don't worry,'' replied Card, indicating the information would come along.
Two days before the GOP retreat, another leading Republican senator--Ted Stevens of Alaska, incoming chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee and the new Senate president pro tem--sent a letter of protest to the Pentagon. The notoriously short-fused Stevens was furious that Rumsfeld had eliminated funding for two of the eight high-tech Army brigades mandated by Congress. The brigades are built around the new eight-wheeled Stryker combat vehicles.
Stevens, with Sen. Dan Inouye of Hawaii (top Democrat on the defense appropriations subcommittee), wrote that elimination of two Stryker brigades ''is yet another example of the disregard of the Congress, and existing law, by the senior leadership of the Defense Department.'' Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz responded Friday with a conciliatory letter that made no concessions.
Wolfowitz's chief is usually less conciliatory. An old Senate Republican hand explained to me why the senators are upset: ''Rumsfeld's behavior toward senators is dismissive, barely civil, bordering on rude. He has no interest in us other than to get the money, no interest in our opinions.'' Rumsfeld spent more than six years in the House, but that was 44 years ago.
Card responded to complaints by Warner and Roberts with a ''Thank you. I'll pass that along.''
According to administration sources, Bush is aware of the problem but has not yet addressed it. That constitutes one uncompleted war preparation.