POLL: The first debate

[fhl]

The Russian separatists were and are directly lead by Russian military personell, pictures have been taken that show the same people among the separatists in Crimea and other ex Russian republics where Russia is very active. The same people are known to work directly for and under Russian command. Those are facts and widely agreed by intelligence services around the world.

Are you doubting that Russia takes a direct interest in Crimea and supplies separatists with weapons and intelligence? It takes a lot of imagination to belive some separatists shoot down commercial airliners without Russian knowledge and even approval.

So you draw a direct line between the shooting down of the plane right to Putin.

Do you draw a direct line between the slaughter of Syrian civilians right to Obama? Did Obama direct them to slaughter the civilians?

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Ok, since you feel the need to edit your posts, so will I.
Since they were regime forces that slaughtered Syrian civilians, do you think they did it without Obama's direct knowledge and approval?

 

[Zzzz1]

No, I draw a direct line from the many civilian deaths in Aleppo to Putin. That is also widely agreed. Not sure where Obama comes in here. It's OK you hate Obama, it's your right to like or dislike.

By the way, Syrian regime forces are well equipped and supported by Putin. I think you may be confusing a few things here.

So you draw a direct line between the shooting down of the plane right to Putin.

Do you draw a direct line between the slaughter of Syrian civilians right to Obama? Did Obama direct them to slaughter the civilians?

edit:
Ok, since you feel the need to edit your posts, so will I.
Since they were regime forces that slaughtered Syrian civilians, do you think they did it without Obama's direct knowledge and approval?

 

[fhl]

There's no more evidence that Putin directed the shooting down of a civilian plane than there is that Obama shot the Syrian civilians on purpose. Spin cycle is over.

I'm really getting sick of the neocon schtick of accusing Putin of international terrorism to go along with 'unwarranted incursions' into Georgia and now Ukraine.
Those were majority Russian speaking provinces that wanted to break away and he helped them just as we help our friends with which we have far less basis for providing that help.

I don't begrudge Putin in the least for helping the russian's who wanted to break away from Georgia or Ukraine.

 

[fhl]

Not sure where Obama comes in here.

Figures. I provided you with numerous links to US regime forces killing civilians in Syria and you somehow can't find a link to Obama, while every single thing that the other side did you know for a 'fact' was done after Putin called them on the phone and told them to do it or something.

You're a clown and i'm done with you.

 

[Zzzz1]

By your standard Germany should maybe annect Switzerland and Austria, after all they are German speaking. Geez

There's no more evidence that Putin directed the shooting down of a civilian plane than there is that Obama shot the Syrian civilians on purpose. Spin cycle is over.

I'm really getting sick of the neocon schtick of accusing Putin of international terrorism to go along with 'unwarranted incursions' into Georgia and now Ukraine.
Those were majority Russian speaking provinces that wanted to break away and he helped them just as we help our friends with which we have far less basis for providing that help.

I don't begrudge Putin in the least for helping the russian's who wanted to break away from Georgia or Ukraine.

 

[fhl]

By your standard Germany should maybe annect Switzerland and Austria, after all they are German speaking. Geez

Are Russians in Swiss or Austria trying to break away?

You're just providing more evidence of what neocon clown you are.

 

[Zzzz1]

I am glad we are done with this nonsense. Thanks for the exchange.

Figures. I provided you with numerous links to US regime forces killing civilians in Syria and you somehow can't find a link to Obama, while every single thing that the other side did you know for a 'fact' was done after Putin called them on the phone and told them to do it or something.

You're a clown and i'm done with you.