POLL: The first debate

[Zzzz1]

Too many assertions and accusations are slung both ways in this whole election campaign, more than ever before. It is hilarious that certain people lower their standards and expectations when it comes to what they demand in terms of debating standards. The bar was set incredibly low for Trump, while Clinton was held to a much higher standard. Question now is what standard do people apply to the presidency in general.

Both candidates are pathological liars, Trump imho more so than Clinton, but Clinton would have zero chance against any other more truthful candidate if there was any. I think most people are clear about the choice they have: a) a liar in power, someone with unhinged temperament, a lose cannon, however, someone who really may shake up things (even if its just for the rich), or b) more of the same, not much change, but at least a true stateswoman, someone who does not embarrass the United States around the world. Those are the choices. Some people want a shake up, and most of those are the ones who have little or nothing to lose anyway. The others prefer an experienced and more intelligent leader at the expense of little to no change from the status quo.

well, if Trump get the punch and energy he needs from a bit of "coke", the debate for sure will be very energetic, full of punch, full of bravado.
Since the cocain use thing, Trump has actually earned many people's sympathies, as now some people say "they can understand him".

 

[Zzzz1]

....yes the same language that Duterte, current leader of the Philippines, uses. Trump would pull out his middle finger, call every other statesman a motherfuxxer, call stateswomen a slob. The result is this: A country that isolates itself from the rest of the world. The Philippines now withdraws from old but proven treaties. It moves away from the US and towards China and Russia. That China will be number 1 in the world in most everything soon or in the foreseeable future is not a possibility but a certainty. How the US will navigate and deal with it is a question for US voters to decide. The UK had to undergo the same transition process from a global power to a mere participant. The same will happen to the US, and that is not a bad thing at all. Leading the world costs a lot of money, you can't be number one and lead but not be willing to pay the price it costs to be number one. Gotta make a choice.

Trump is not an ideal choice but the idea he would start WW III in a fit of anger is far-fetched. Trump may use colorful or even careless language, but he is very measured when it comes to using the military or getting us mired in more quagmires. Hillary is the one who seems to want to confront the Russians everywhere. Superpowers should give each other plenty of elbow room, something Trump seems to understand. It's why the republican neo-con wing despises him so fervently.

Hillary's judgment has repeatedly been demonstrated to be terrible, whether it was in overthrowing Libya or lying about the Benghazi attacks or her cavalier disregard of security rules and the inevitable Clinton coverup.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

, but at least a true stateswoman, someone who does not embarrass the United States around the world.

This "stateswoman" lied through her teeth to the Benghazi parents, then went on TV and said they were lying.

She orchestrated intimidation campaigns against women who had been victims of her husband's sexual predation, knowing they were telling the truth.

She concocted an insecure email system so she could shield her State Department pay for play scheme from public view, then ran a classic Clinton coverup op. The Obama FBI and Justice Department did their part by conducting a faux investigation and preemptively immunizing all potential defendants.

 

[oldnemesis]

This "stateswoman" lied through her teeth to the Benghazi parents, then went on TV and said they were lying.

She orchestrated intimidation campaigns against women who had been victims of her husband's sexual predation, knowing they were telling the truth.

She concocted an insecure email system so she could shield her State Department pay for play scheme from public view, then ran a classic Clinton coverup op. The Obama FBI and Justice Department did their part by conducting a faux investigation and preemptively immunizing all potential defendants.

At least you have given us a view of the ridiculous poppycock that underlies you nonsensical posts.

Thanx

 

[Scataphagos]

The bar was set incredibly low for Trump, while Clinton was held to a much higher standard.

Seems anyone with half a brain saw it as the opposite of what you describe.

 

[jem]

Do you all realize the Obama / Clinton is giving the rights to the internet away?
So they can stop those who oppose the policies the elites create. Do you all ever think the major media would become so one sided. If it was not for the internet there would be only Pravda and slightly anti Pravda fox... which will become more establishment with their new owners.

And the establishment Rs in congress are so corrupt they are supporting it?
Do you realize what this means about free speech and freedom to be different and express yourselves that way?

There is not one person voting in a America who should vote for any person who does not support our right to free expression.

What is wrong with you lefties. You realize once they are done taking the rights away from those who love freedom... they are going to screw you so hard you heads will spin. People in control are not going to want drones with individual traits. They are going to want perfect drones.

Voting for more of the same is voting for the type of freedom we see in Saudi Arabia or the old eastern block.

Wake the hell up. They are giving the internet away to stop freedom of expression.

Can't you read the writing on the walls.

This site will be shut down or one sided. Everyone will be stupid. Think... challenge authority.

 

[achilles28]

The war monger button doesn't stick on trump

amazing people defend Hillary. She intends to go to war with Russia by shooting Down their planes.

 

[Ricter]

and said they were lying.

She did not say that, Ann.

 

[Tony Stark]

voting for hillary is safer than voting for trump?
how the hell can you make that assessment
did you see what she did to the libya and the middle east.
She created ISiS,
.

Trump said we should overthrow Gaddafi ( 1:45 in the video) and he supported pulling out if Iraq when Bush was still president.

And he supported pulling out if Iraq when Bush was still president.

 

[Zzzz1]

Is she also responsible for 9/11?

This "stateswoman" lied through her teeth to the Benghazi parents, then went on TV and said they were lying.

She orchestrated intimidation campaigns against women who had been victims of her husband's sexual predation, knowing they were telling the truth.

She concocted an insecure email system so she could shield her State Department pay for play scheme from public view, then ran a classic Clinton coverup op. The Obama FBI and Justice Department did their part by conducting a faux investigation and preemptively immunizing all potential defendants.