Poll majority: Gays' orientation can't change

Makes as much sense as saying a man can't deliver a baby because he never give birth to one.

Try some logic, please...

Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

well, z, i clearly don't understand the hostility, but in many cases, the details of one's personal life can be quite relevant to the discussion, just as being a parent would be relevant to this discussion... so, i think that your suggestion that people who choose to share details of their lives on a message board are 'loosers' strange at best...

would also be relevant to note that you have shared other details about your personal life vis a vis this message board...

it would be fair to say that someone who is a parent will generally know a bit more about what parenting requires/consists of than someone who isn't a parent, and since you are a self professed expert on all things domestic and are the defacto authority of functional and healthy family life, i thought you certainly would be a parent, and that maybe you could share some of your experiences that substantiate your point... no need for all of the hostility...
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Who would take the time to read all of your drivel...

Legally, show me a child who has been fathered without male sperm...

So, legally, the child does have a father.

The child may not have a legal male guardian
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it's not my drivel. It's a well thought out and researched piece from a respected author in a very influential periodical.

I make no claim on such accomplishments.

I'm going to take off the gloves with you. You represent so much I refuse to tolerate.
 
The gloves are off?

Bwaahaahaaahaaaa....

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it's not my drivel. It's a well thought out and researched piece from a respected author in a very influential periodical.

I make no claim on such accomplishments.

I'm going to take off the gloves with you. You represent so much I refuse to tolerate.
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Generalization fallacy applied to previous argument.

You think you are expert in what love is.

So we should address you as Dr. Love.

Cracks me up...

Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

thats a pretty far out analogy, and no, it makes perfect sense, if you are a parent, chances are you will generally know more about parenting that someone who isn't a parent... and what you don't understand is that love IS an obligation, love isnt something that can be quantified and categorized... this know it all attitude you exude about nearly every topic, really dosen't serve you well here... the point is, ALL people who 'make it' as mates/life partners, whatever term you prefer, usually go through numerous periods where theyd honestly prefer to not be in the relationship, but you stay ANYWAYS out of commitment... and eventually the feelings return... love waxes and wanes in any relationship and only commitment carries you through... ask any couple who's been together for multiple decades... it happens to everyone, the difference in people who make it and people who do not, is the reaction to this process, those who say 'hey, our relationship isnt doing well, lets both start to make some effort here' tend to find success, those who say 'hey, it'd be easier to go elsewhere' obviously tend to split more often, and yes, i think children/a family is a VERY good reason to stick it out and make effort in the relationship
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Now you are Dr. Psych.

This is gloves off?

Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

z, psychs refer to what you are doing as 'projection', whereby you impute your own qualitites onto others, on the contrary, i said that love was something that great philosophers have been wrestling with for centuries... you, on the other hand claimed to have the thourough understanding of love... i just claimed to know the common denominators amongst couples who actually make it, versus those who don't...
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You make a diagnosis of what I am doing as projection, but claim not to be Dr. psych?

Really, thanks for the yucks...

Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

huh? i never claimed to be a dr. or a psych, you just made that up... gloves off?? what are you talking about? i never said gloves off, lol easy on the listerine there z...
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So anyone can do it?

Okay, then everything you are doing is just projection...

What an idiot...

Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

'daignosis'? projection is not a condition... and no, it dosen't take a psych to identify projection... when you talk for paragraphs about what love is and is not, and tell other people that the have no idea what love is or is not, then accuse others of claiming to know all about love, that is readily identifiable projection...

lay off grandpa's cough medicine for the rest of tonite...
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Booze, hangovers...must be more of that projection thingy that you are engaged in...

What a maroon you are...

Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

you aren't even making sense, i know it's friday, but lay off the booz, come back after the hangover, and we can continue the discusion...
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zzz is getting crushed again.

it is as if his view of the world from his cave has any weight.


zzz lets compare two average parents one male working full time and one woman working 1 day a week to one average single parent working 5 days a week probably droping her kids off at 7:30 and picking them up at six.

deal with reality not cave vision.
 
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