Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional

He seems like he is a pretty sharp guy, and he reviewed all
the related cases, and seemed pretty clear to him that this
should be ruled unconstitutional....BUT....

He is not an attorney, and I really hope he doesn't blow it
based on technicalities. They will look for any excuse to
throw this out ( like his custody over his daughter, etc...)

I think it would be a huge win for the great melting pot
of America. Putting everyone on EQUAL ground as we
should be.

I think the only way he could lose is if they declare it's only
there for traditional reasons and not religious ones.

This is the grey area that they have some room to squirm in
and sidestep the constitution.

I'm sure if it said something like "under whitey" in the pledge,
even for HISTORICAL/TRADITIONAL reasons, it would get yanked immediately :D
But let's face it, non-believers are not popular among the
"general public". Atheism is basically a bad word in many
parts of the country and atheists there don't even want
to be properly labeled an atheist because of the heathen stigma.

peace

axeman



Quote from Gordon Gekko:

the guy fighting for this, michael newdow, is REPRESENTING HIMSELF. this guy RULES! i want cameras in the courtroom for this.

michael newdow (an american hero)
story.newdow.jpg


another interesting thing... this was on the o'reilly factor (10/20): justice scalia has taken himself out of this case. it is thought that he would lean towards keeping "god" in the pledge. there are at least 4 justices who it is thought may want to take "god" out. in the event of a 4:4 tie, the judgement is the judgment of the previous court to rule in the case. the previous court ruled to take "god" out! YES!

then, in some states, "god" will be unconstitutional in the pledge. this is how big changes like this take place; it doesn't happen overnight. eventually other states will follow. :cool:
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Isn't it interesting how ALL THESE PEOPLE ***RUSH*** out
of the woodwork and stomp around screaming that
THIS IS NO BIG DEAL, and that no one GIVES A SHIT... blah blah..

Hilarious. If it truly isn't an issue, and is no big deal, then they
should just shut the hell up, agree, throw the inserted wording out,
and RESTORE the pledge and money back to it's fair and neutral state.


What a bunch of hypocrites.

No one gives a shit??? HA! They OBVIOUSLY give a huuuuge shit. :D
They are doing a horrible job PRETENDING that they don't.

This OBVIOUSLY is important to the people who the wording represents
or there wouldn't be any kind of backlash at all.

Just more hypocrisy. These same people would challenge
this in a second if it said "Under Satan", or "Under no God".

Laughable.


peace

axeman


Quote from TM_Direct:

http://maddox.xmission.com/pledge.html




Read the whole site .....pretty funny and was my original point....Who cares and what is the real motivation???
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Quote from axeman:

Isn't it interesting how ALL THESE PEOPLE ***RUSH*** out
of the woodwork and stomp around screaming that
THIS IS NO BIG DEAL, and that no one GIVES A SHIT... blah blah..

Hilarious. If it truly isn't an issue, and is no big deal, then they
should just shut the hell up, agree, throw the inserted wording out,
and RESTORE the pledge and money back to it's fair and neutral state.


What a bunch of hypocrites.

No one gives a shit??? HA! They OBVIOUSLY give a huuuuge shit. :D
They are doing a horrible job PRETENDING that they don't.

This OBVIOUSLY is important to the people who the wording represents
or there wouldn't be any kind of backlash at all.

Just more hypocrisy. These same people would challenge
this in a second if it said "Under Satan", or "Under no God".

Laughable.


peace

axeman
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Uhhmmm...AXe......there are a lot of high quality decaffeinated coffees on the market....you are taking this WAY too serious for somebody who doesn't believe......that is the point.:D
 
Hey...

Don't try and turn this around.

Let's reviewed what happened here.

1) An atheist saw a blatant constitutional violation
2) He went to court
3) All the believers came rushing out of the woodwork screaming
that NO ONE GIVES A SHIT.

Hehe.... it's obvious the believers are the ones who
have their panties tied up in a knot and need to get
on the decaffeinated drinks.

If it really is no big deal, they would have remained silent.

It's obviously a bid deal to this guy who is going to the supreme court.
It's obviously a big enough deal that the supreme court will even hear this case :)


So at least we know who is being honest here and who is not.


peace

axeman



Quote from TM_Direct:



Uhhmmm...AXe......there are a lot of high quality decaffeinated coffees on the market....you are taking this WAY too serious for somebody who doesn't believe......that is the point.:D
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Quote from axeman:

Hey...

Don't try and turn this around.

Let's reviewed what happened here.

1) An atheist saw a blatant constitutional violation
2) He went to court
3) All the believers came rushing out of the woodwork screaming
that NO ONE GIVES A SHIT.

Hehe.... it's obvious the believers are the ones who
have their panties tied up in a knot and need to get
on the decaffeinated drinks.

If it really is no big deal, they would have remained silent.

It's obviously a bid deal to this guy who is going to the supreme court.
It's obviously a big enough deal that the supreme court will even hear this case :)


So at least we know who is being honest here and who is not.


peace

axeman
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actually, Mr. Ned. has some explaining to do....You see he said he is doing this for his daughter......yet his own daughter and his wife are saying they should not remove Under God from the pledge....but this character is steaming a head because of his OWN PERSONAL notoriety quest.....BTW....He is a Reverend as well....in the" church of free speech " or something like that....so NO I do not for one second think he is being honest and for the LAST TIME......I question people's motivations more then anything and it appears he has an agenda not based on what he stated.
 
Quote from axeman:

Hey...

Don't try and turn this around.

Let's reviewed what happened here.

1) An atheist saw a blatant constitutional violation
2) He went to court
3) All the believers came rushing out of the woodwork screaming
that NO ONE GIVES A SHIT.

Hehe.... it's obvious the believers are the ones who
have their panties tied up in a knot and need to get
on the decaffeinated drinks.

If it really is no big deal, they would have remained silent.

It's obviously a bid deal to this guy who is going to the supreme court.
It's obviously a big enough deal that the supreme court will even hear this case :)


So at least we know who is being honest here and who is not.


peace

axeman
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I agree 100%...and I could care less if they remove "IN GOD WE TRUST" from the money...Besides most people trust money more than they do GOD....but make sure he pays for the removal and all the costs involved if not then the majority should rule what gets printed and thats that...you want equal then thats equal and I can assure you if this went to vote ( DEMOCRACY ) it would remain as is....peace
 
BRENTWOOD, CA (ANS) -- The study of law includes the legal element of perjury. This means lying to a court of law under oath for which punishment is required to keep our legal system workable. In the now infamous lawsuit where the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, in a 2-1 decision declared the Pledge of Allegiance illegal because it contains the phrase, "under God," a case can be made to charge the plaintiff in that case with perjury.

The suit was brought to court by Michael A. Newdow, an atheist from Sacramento who claimed that his second grade daughter was required to recite the Pledge of Allegiance against her will at the Elk Grove Unified School District.

The reference, "under God," claimed Newdow, "that my daughter was forced to recite, caused her emotional damage, stress, anxiety and a sense of being left out. I'm an American citizen. I don't like my rights infringed upon by my government," he said.


Judge Alfred T. Goodwin, of The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco, a court known to lean to the left of Berkeley, hastened to bang the gavel and declare the Pledge of Allegiance, unconstitutional.

An investigative report by WorldNetDaily.com revealed that Newdow has been separated from his wife and daughter, who want no part of his ravings. They are in fact, Christians and members of Rev. Chuck Smith's Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California, where they live.

The daughter, who was involuntarily dragged in as a pawn in this case, daily recited the pledge in school (including the phrase, "under God), willingly. She was not emotionally injured or damaged in any way as falsley claimed by her absent father, Michael Newdow, in order to deceive the court into making this insane ruling.

Furthermore, Newdow stated this over CNN: "The only way I could file this case was to use my daughter as a hook." A daughter he was separated from, and a daughter who, with her mother, disagrees with her father's actions and atheism.

The courts of America have been swift to apply the laws of perjury. This infamous case, which has outraged most Americans, even more so due to the fraudulent manner in which this case was brought to the court, dictates that perjury charges be filed against Newdow.

He lied to the court under oath. This is a crime. The public must demand that The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco charge Michael Newdow with perjury and punish him to the full extent of the law.

The law applies to everyone, even liberals. This charge of perjury cannot be ignored by Judge Alfred T. Goodwin.
==============================================

Axe....Read up on this case and you will see it has some holes....1) The daughter in question is separated from her dad
2) she and her mother are CHRISTIANS and are members of Calvary Church, THUS her consitituional RIGHTS were never interfered with......this guy USED his daughter to enter the suit and LIED....now he's on talk shows and giving speeches and most likly the case will be thrown out ....this guy is scum....to use your daughter just to make a name for yourself??? what in Robin Givens name is he doing???
 
You may poison the well with "hidden agendas" all you want,
but my point still remains:

When the believers claim this is no big deal and that no
one gives a shit.... THEY ARE FULL OF IT :D
Could it be any more obvious??? Hehe...


It's a blatant constitutional violation, and should be challenged.
I would personally prefer a better challenger than Newdow,
but you gotta admit, he has balls.

Death threats anyone? The believers have such a bloody
history it doesn't surprise me that he is getting death threats,
and shows what an embarrassment some believers are.
If these are christians, what ever happened to turning the other cheek?
Hypocrites to the extreme.



peace

axeman


Quote from TM_Direct:




actually, Mr. Ned. has some explaining to do....You see he said he is doing this for his daughter......yet his own daughter and his wife are saying they should not remove Under God from the pledge....but this character is steaming a head because of his OWN PERSONAL notoriety quest.....BTW....He is a Reverend as well....in the" church of free speech " or something like that....so NO I do not for one second think he is being honest and for the LAST TIME......I question people's motivations more then anything and it appears he has an agenda not based on what he stated.
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I'm not going to get into a quoting war with you on this.
That will get us no where.

I will let the "experts" at the supreme court decide
what the LAW says, not some internet newspaper.


My original position stands. The believers DO consider
this a big deal, and are being untruthful when they
attempt to claim this guy shouldn't be doing this on the
grounds that no one gives a shit.


peace

axeman




Quote from TM_Direct:

BRENTWOOD, CA (ANS) -- The study of law includes the legal element of perjury. This means lying to a court of law under oath for which punishment is required to keep our legal system workable. In the now infamous lawsuit where the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, in a 2-1 decision declared the Pledge of Allegiance illegal because it contains the phrase, "under God," a case can be made to charge the plaintiff in that case with perjury.

The suit was brought to court by Michael A. Newdow, an atheist from Sacramento who claimed that his second grade daughter was required to recite the Pledge of Allegiance against her will at the Elk Grove Unified School District.

The reference, "under God," claimed Newdow, "that my daughter was forced to recite, caused her emotional damage, stress, anxiety and a sense of being left out. I'm an American citizen. I don't like my rights infringed upon by my government," he said.


Judge Alfred T. Goodwin, of The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco, a court known to lean to the left of Berkeley, hastened to bang the gavel and declare the Pledge of Allegiance, unconstitutional.

An investigative report by WorldNetDaily.com revealed that Newdow has been separated from his wife and daughter, who want no part of his ravings. They are in fact, Christians and members of Rev. Chuck Smith's Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California, where they live.

The daughter, who was involuntarily dragged in as a pawn in this case, daily recited the pledge in school (including the phrase, "under God), willingly. She was not emotionally injured or damaged in any way as falsley claimed by her absent father, Michael Newdow, in order to deceive the court into making this insane ruling.

Furthermore, Newdow stated this over CNN: "The only way I could file this case was to use my daughter as a hook." A daughter he was separated from, and a daughter who, with her mother, disagrees with her father's actions and atheism.

The courts of America have been swift to apply the laws of perjury. This infamous case, which has outraged most Americans, even more so due to the fraudulent manner in which this case was brought to the court, dictates that perjury charges be filed against Newdow.

He lied to the court under oath. This is a crime. The public must demand that The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco charge Michael Newdow with perjury and punish him to the full extent of the law.

The law applies to everyone, even liberals. This charge of perjury cannot be ignored by Judge Alfred T. Goodwin.
==============================================

Axe....Read up on this case and you will see it has some holes....1) The daughter in question is separated from her dad
2) she and her mother are CHRISTIANS and are members of Calvary Church, THUS her consitituional RIGHTS were never interfered with......this guy USED his daughter to enter the suit and LIED....now he's on talk shows and giving speeches and most likly the case will be thrown out ....this guy is scum....to use your daughter just to make a name for yourself??? what in Robin Givens name is he doing???
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