Please DO NOT ASK AGAIN WHY

[rowenwood]

Quote from hapaboy:

Whether or not one believes in a god, or a certain political point of view, has nothing to do with discounting the lives of innocent children as you did.

I obviously disagree. Is that all you can think of? Quite a superficial, boring and predictable remark. I see you've experienced the usual media. Can you refer your logic to any good sitcoms, magazines, books, or compact discs? You've a bad basis for your remarks, and you've no chance of winning this debate with your unoriginal intellect.

Sorry to hurt your feelings, but this is survival of the fittest, nothing personal.

 

[Nolan-Vinny-Sam]

Quote from rowenwood:

Let's just jump to end of the deabte: I win, as usual, and, you're an idiot. So I'm glad we know the outcome.


Now I'll add some middle because I obviously don't have anything better to do. Answer to your first question: I strive to not be a part of the 99.999%, and so I hope that I'm not part. And you should know that I'm Jewish.

"Now if you are sarcastic and I hope you are, (and I will retract my above statement if I misread you) , then I fully agree, it's a systemic problem and the ignorant misguided morons are just perpetuating the calamity on the world themselves. The problem is far greater than what it seems to be..."

So you agree that they're stupid but?

Lastly I reaffirm my first statement that Aljazeera isn't a reliable source, and I'm
going to make this statement without offering you my reasoning because I want you to learn how to think.

So is this enough middle? Have you lost yet, or did you lose before you wrote a single sentence? If I've won then I want to thank you for this opportunity of making you look stupid so that I can seem superior. It's great therapy for me. I feel so happy knowing you're such an inferior creature, so happy.

hehehe you fell in your own trap, you numbskull bwahahahaha Thanks man (or woman I mean not to discriminate)

Anyway, stick to the topic of the thread or close to it or get lost

 

[rowenwood]

The topic isn't the moral deabte about dead children in Iraq. Or what is right from wrong. The debate is about
how to think. What is stupid and what's not. You don't understand this. It's not about children it's about ego. Every one of these debates is about trying to prove one's self to appease one's insecurities.


What trap? The trap of engaging in another pointless debate? Do you believe in god? Why are you afraid of answering this question, insecure? Are you insecure,
afraid and cowardly?

 

[Nolan-Vinny-Sam]

Quote from reg:

Nolan,

In the spirit of fairness, could you also post the pictures of the 4 dead Americans whose CORPSES were mutilated and hung from a bridge?

Sure you got any? start a new thread and let's talk. Just remember: It was our choice to kill those children..The children did not come here swinging daizycutters...:eek: the 4 americans were also adult contract mercenaries hired my pentagon. Not that it diminishes the atrocity.:eek: :eek:

Hey I would like to see the media covering all these pics both ours and theirs on the news every hour. Maybe the mushrooms errr.. taxpayers would wake up and think for themselves for a change..

 

[rowenwood]

If I were a parent I would shelter my children from the possibility of death. In my opinion the US has more sympathy for those children than the parents of those children simply because we view life differently than they.

They are willing to risk the Iraqi children. We don't want to kill them but they die in the crossfire because their parents are willing to risk their lives. We would never risk their lives.

Forget your stupid debate about dead children, let's discuss your stupidity, I find it far more entertaining, reassuring, and directly to the point.

 

[axeman]

Ill skip the nonsense in your post since you completely
missed all my points and skip to:

"The dead children are a result of our unprovoked actions"

I guess you didnt notice that Saddam invaded Kuwait.
We came to the rescue.... we won the war.... we had
a cease fire agreement which he thumbed his nose at
for OVER 10 YEARS.... and when we go back in to enforce
it when *HE* could have prevented the war by not blocking
UN inspectors, you stand there and call it unprovoked?

Your blaming the wrong guy buddy.
Only Saddam can be blamed for this war.
The blood is on his hands. The people should hate Saddam, not us.


peace

axeman

Quote from Nolan-Vinny-Sam:

good ole axeman! I though you kept in religious threads only.(nothing's wrong with that btw)
Ok who is the maniac and why, and who is hiding behind children? and please could you care to substantiate that with facts/events/pictures

Nolan, his way? Hitler? come on man even you can't be that stupid to make such inferences..:eek: :eek:

on your second post.
millions dead people that Sadam wanted to fight, sure... First get your head out of your ass, go to local library and LOOK up Iran Iraq conflict, who started it and who supported it.

Let's see now.. check out Bush senior in the sixties and Sadam's installation in Iraq.. Next check out Iran Contra affair, Rumsfeld proving mustard gas to Iraq and also helicopters to spray including other military support, or Sadam wouldn't do it.

Ahh yes and while you are at it check out the CIA involvement in Iran fueling the conflict from the other side.

The 100k ppl.. I think you mean to say the 78k Kurds that Sadam killed including children, but at the time pentagon said it was Iranians and Kurds were caught up in the crossfire.

I don't think that Sadam was trying to "liberate or democratize Iran" or that justifies what we do and tells terrorist to hold off?

Ahhh yes, it's interesting that under sadam the shia's (65% of population) were "oppressed" but no terrorist attacks against sunies or sadam's regime, were taking place for dozens of years, and it only took us 1 year to fuck up the balance there and cause all kinds of "insurgent attacks"


But I digress from the thread topic. The dead children are a result of our unprovoked actions and these actions create more rage and justification for their parents to blow us up.:eek:

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from rowenwood:

I obviously disagree. Is that all you can think of? Quite a superficial, boring and predictable remark.

Hilarious! Stating an aversion to gloating over the death of children, no matter what your religious or political view, is superficial and boring? LOL! I'll admit it's predictable, because in the normal world most people are repulsed by such things. You, apparently, are not.

I see you've experienced the usual media. Can you refer your logic to any good sitcoms, magazines, books, or compact discs?

Sorry, no. My belief that killing children is not something to strive for let alone gloat over, whether or not their parents are shooting at us or their religion is in conflict with mine, is not rooted in TV or the latest top 40 album. Wait, no, that's not entirely accurate. I must admit that I used to watch Little House on the Prairie and listen to John Denver a lot when I was a kid. Maybe that explains it.

You've a bad basis for your remarks,

Given your perspective, that is a compliment of the highest order.

...and you've no chance of winning this debate with your unoriginal intellect.

Didn't realize it was a debate. That you need to make it one fully illustrates your psychosis. If it makes you feel better and you need to give yourself a little adrenaline rush and pat on the back, I fully accept that you believe there is nothing wrong with the killing of children based on your belief system.

Sorry to hurt your feelings, but this is survival of the fittest, nothing personal.

I assure you, my feelings are not hurt at all. But by all means, go ahead and try to convince yourself otherwise.

 

[Burtakus]

Does anyone here honestly beleive that American soldiers would intentionally target non combatants?

I truly hope not. I have known too many American soldiers to believe that they would target civillians. Now on the other hand from the way that the Arabs (not the general public so much as the "insurgent" type) behave, they have no qualms about taking refuge and fighting from areas containing civillians. What are we (the Americans) supposed to do, not fight and get killed ourselves because some dumbass decides to use civillains for a shield?

Some people in the world really ought to think about the bigger picture before opening their mouthes. I know that our government is not perfoect but anyone who feels that Saddam was unjustly removed from power and that the insurgents are the innocents and we should just let them be really needs a reality check.

Most if not all of the "insurgents" have no qualms about dying for their cause. In this train of thought they will do whatever is necessary to kill as many Americas as possible and do whatever it takes to make the US look bad in the wolds eye. When a person places no value on his/her life then what value does he/she place on the lives of others? A person on this frame of mind can only be stopped by giving them what they want, death.

Futhermore, if the Americans are so bad and the insurgents innocent, then tell that to the families of the kidnapped civillians. I do not see American soldiers kidnapping innocent civilians.

Everyone expects the US to play nice, which they do as best as they can, but it is ok for the insurgents to play as dirty as they want and that is ok. Wake up people this is a war. It is not always nice adn unfortunatley if your enemy is going to play dirty and use civillians and civillian structures for cover then it is highly likely that their will be civillian casualities. there is no way around it except to surrender and admit defeat adn hope they don;t shoot your ass from behind their civillian shield.

 

[Nolan-Vinny-Sam]

Quote from axeman:

Ill skip the nonsense in your post since you completely
missed all my points and skip to:

"The dead children are a result of our unprovoked actions"

I guess you didnt notice that Saddam invaded Kuwait.
We came to the rescue.... we won the war.... we had
a cease fire agreement which he thumbed his nose at
for OVER 10 YEARS.... and when we go back in to enforce
it when *HE* could have prevented the war by not blocking
UN inspectors, you stand there and call it unprovoked?

Your blaming the wrong guy buddy.
Only Saddam can be blamed for this war.
The blood is on his hands. The people should hate Saddam, not us.


peace

axeman

man!!! you come back with more crap. I asked you to substantiate your utter bullshit with facts, and I will stand down no problemo I though you were half ass intelligent, but I guess I was wrong

Kuwait, yeah he did after he got the ok from Bush Senior, check up on Glaspies, statement/memo's not that it justifies his attacking Kuwait but after we supported him with Iran, sure why not, he thought he had our backing, got his ass kicked.

10 years? thumbing nose? Hey, next time someone thumbs his nose at you go blow up his house kill his family, and come back and try to justify your actions in a court of law.. (it's our values we try to spread right?)

Blocking inspectors? He let them in again, they found nothing, same as before. Sadam had complied with UN mandate to destroy his piles after 91. (piles we helped him create) he provided proof in writing to UN, as we requested, 12000 pages (we removed 78000 for security reasons, yeah right) 3 months before we attacked. We attacked anyway.

After invading we send in our own inspection team, (Bush appointed) they come back again empty handed, and even Rummy admits that he may have destroyed them.

Soooo get your fucking facts straight before you come in and spew more shit.
This fraud for war was/is shoved down our throats and their by scunya and cabal. :eek:
The blood of all those dead innocent civilians and children is on your hands and everyones who has supported scumyas war.:eek:

alrighty then... as you say.... peace

 

[axeman]

When someone FAILS to address all the points I make and instead
gives a sermon on the same crap, I have a right to ignore them.
So dont tell me im backing down.

You dodged my points, so I ignored your rambling.

I dont have time to deal with someone who cant comprehend
the simple points I already made.

You post pics of dead babies as if this justifies never going to war.
I clearly pointed out that if this were indeed the case, then
someone like Hitler could get away with whatever he wanted to,
because god forbid we bomb them and kill babies.
But you didnt understand this point either or chose to dodge it.

Tell me NOLAN... what would you do if Hitler rolled into Europe
with a baby tied to every tank? Lay down and surrender because
you dont want to kill a baby??? DONT DODGE THIS QUESTION.


Here is more of your nonsense:

10 years? thumbing nose? Hey, next time someone thumbs his nose at you go blow up his house kill his family, and come back and try to justify your actions in a court of law.. (it's our values we try to spread right?)

Here you are basically saying that the US should NOT enforce
its contract when an enemy SURRENDERS because we may
kill babies. Your logic is ludicrous.


Blocking inspectors? He let them in again, they found nothing, same as before. Sadam had complied with UN mandate to destroy his piles after 91. (piles we helped him create) he provided proof in writing to UN, as we requested, 12000 pages (we removed 78000 for security reasons, yeah right) 3 months before we attacked. We attacked anyway.

He provided bullshit crap that he copy/pasted from the old
report without even changing names.... it was obvious crap.
He DID block inspectors. If you deny this, your smoking crack.


After invading we send in our own inspection team, (Bush appointed) they come back again empty handed, and even Rummy admits that he may have destroyed them.

So what.... there was no way to know if he had them or not
because he blocked inspectors and we werent gonna accept
the word of a tyrant. I guess you would.


Soooo get your fucking facts straight before you come in and spew more shit.
This fraud for war was/is shoved down our throats and their by scunya and cabal. :eek:
The blood of all those dead innocent civilians and children is on your hands and everyones who has supported scumyas war.:eek:


I suppose you rather have Saddam STAY there abusing
these people for many more decades to come.
Get a clue man... **MORE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE DIED WITH
SADDAM IN POWER FOREVER**.

You are effectively voting for the deaths of many more people
in the long run by being against what happened.
Saddam is GONE. He can no longer kill people for decades.
This seems to be beyond you. You can only see in the short term.


You dont realize it, but you are effectively wishing for the
deaths of MORE people, by leaving Saddam in power,
which makes you a pretty evil bastard.



peace

axeman