People need to know the truth about Lincoln

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In political science, historical rankings of Presidents of the United States are surveys conducted in order to construct rankings of the success of individuals who have served as President of the United States. Ranking systems are usually based on surveys of academic historians and political scientists or popular opinion. The rankings focus on the presidential achievements, leadership qualities, failures and faults (such as corruption).



General findings

George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Franklin D. Roosevelt are consistently ranked at the top of the lists. Often ranked just below those three are Presidents Thomas Jefferson and Theodore Roosevelt. The remaining places in the top 10 are often rounded out by Harry S. Truman, Woodrow Wilson, Dwight Eisenhower, and Andrew Jackson.

 

[Index piker]

I'll thank you to not spam my thread with popularity polls it's irrelevant.
I've already admitted the asshole has Saintly status with the ignorant public.

 

[phenomena]

I wish both of them harm, although in Bush's case it would be a few years too late to do any good. They are both big government, budget crashing whores who's terms will end up being two consecutive train wrecks....

You guys are all so short sighted engaging in this partisan bickering. I don't know why it doesn't occur to you guys that they are both more or less the same party. The difference between obama and bush is healthcare. The rest of the differences are quite trivial. Yet you guys are so emotionally attached to these meaningless little partisan mud slinging sessions, you are addicted to them. So sad. Oh well, what can you do... people are stupid...

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I think Bush is one of the worst presidents ever but I never wished the man harm(many on ET have wished harm to Obama),I never said he wasn't American,i never said he was a dictator,I never said he should be impeached or any of the vile things you right wingers say about Obama

 

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I'll thank you to not spam my thread with popularity polls it's irrelevant.

This country is based on popularity.The most popular people win elections and run the country,that is the essence of the United States of America

 

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Quote from phenomena:

I wish both of them harm, although in Bush's case it would be a few years too late to do any good. They are both big government, budget crashing whores who's terms will end up being two consecutive train wrecks....

You guys are all so short sighted engaging in this partisan bickering. I don't know why it doesn't occur to you guys that they are both more or less the same party. The difference between obama and bush is healthcare. The rest of the differences are quite trivial. Yet you guys are so emotionally attached to these meaningless little partisan mud slinging sessions, you are addicted to them. So sad. Oh well, what can you do... people are stupid...

Health care isn't the only difference between Bush and Obama,I wouldn't expect you to know that because people are stupid

 

[Index piker]

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This country is based on popularity.The most popular people win elections and run the country,that is the essence of the United States of America

Oh geez another misconception from the one who worships political power for it's own sake.

 

[phenomena]

LOL that was right up there with "I know you are but what am I..."

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Health care isn't the only difference between Bush and Obama,I wouldn't expect you to know that because people are stupid

 

[Index piker]

audio links of the author various subjects



http://mises.org/media.aspx?action=author&Id=425


Secession and the American Experience

Mises Media: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 by Thomas E. Woods, Jr.

http://mises.org/media/1863



Secession and War

Mises Media: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 by Thomas E. Woods, Jr.

http://mises.org/media/1869

 

[RCG Trader]

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I get tired of people endlessly parroting the propaganda about the American Saint.

1)If you support the notions described in The Declaration of Independence you need to educate yourself on abe.


2) If you admire the wisdom of the founding fathers especially Jefferson, you need to educate yourself on abe's real agenda.


3) If the politically correct version of the Civil War sounds a little too convenient then you need to educate yourself about the real underlying conflict leading to our nations bloodiest conflict.

3a) How come the US was the only country in the civilized word that required a massive war to enact Abolitionism?


For those who seek to dispense with the propaganda, I recommend


The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War [Hardcover]
Thomas DiLorenzo (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0761536418/lewrockwell/


unrelated but another excellent and less controversial book:
How Capitalism Saved America: The Untold History of Our Country, from the Pilgrims to the Present.
Thomas DiLorenzo (Author)

Truly ashamed that Pabst is going to the grave so pissed off at people who do not look, act, or think like him.

 

[jem]

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Our founding fathers wanted a strong national government thats why they switched to the constitution from the articles of the confederation

Letting states secede would have been the biggest insult to the founding fathers

Yeah sure.... and the bill for rights was just for show...

They wanted a workable federal government a little stronger than the articles. The convention was likely to breakup without a constitution at all But for the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights as the first 10 amendments were called.... is proof they did not want a strong federal government...

Case and point is the 9th.

Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.