Pelosi Impeachment Inquiry

UsualName said:
No. Warren would not be as strong of a candidate as Clinton. However, the circumstances of 2020 will not be the same as they were in 2016. Trump will have a much tougher electoral map. A weaker candidate like Warren does make re-election not as difficult if he had to face a candidate of Clinton’s caliber.

And it’s even more complex in that Clinton would not be the same candidate as she was in 2016 today. You can see this in Bernie. He is polling at only one-third of his numbers from 2016 today.
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No man steps in to the same river twice - Heraclitus

You be into a lot of hypothetical shiite lately. Get this impeachment thing going then we will see what it really looks like rather than what it could look like.

Similarly, get Hillary in the race and we will see what it looks like. For the timebeing, I assume a candidate who is actually running is a better candidate than one who woulda, coulda, shoulda run and would have been better if she had run.
 
UsualName said:
To this Durham Horowitz nonsense you’re obsessed with, even if you are right and these guys have bombs to drop (which I doubt) it would make sense for democrats to force their hand and drop them when it is not during the general election.
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I am not running their campaigns. I am just listening to what Pelosi has consistently said, which is that she does not want to do it and if she has to she wanted to do a quick hit and run and have it over by the end of october and not have it suck all the oxygen out of the environment going into primary season. Whether she wakes up tomorrow says, "I changed my mind it is all for the good to drag it out" or she says "we are fucked now." Is up to her. I dont care.
 
vanzandt said:
Could that be because there are a dozen candidates out there to pick from?
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Yes, to all the other candidates.

But also, not only are there a lot of other candidates but they are Bernie knock-offs. A large, large part of his 2016 platform has been adopted by people who are younger and/or femaler. In 2016 he was out there saying that we are all going to die from cwimate change, and that we need to go full bore and have medicare for all, and open borders and fuck wall street and anyone who has ever had a job, and that women should have the right to abort their kids up through the fourth grade if they misbehave. That's all just basic dem platform talk now. It is much harder to be on the leading edge of progressivism than in 2016. There is a lot of competition in the race to become Venezuela.

When Bernie runs again in 2024 they will be calling him a moderate. Little joke there- not really.
 
TreeFrogTrader said:
2018 was an increase for the dems but it was less than the average increase for the opposition party at a midterm election. So not really all that zippy. Obama lost a lot more than Trump in his first midterm but was still re-elected. But I see that that is all you got to work with so milk it. But, as I said, not really very zippy.

In addition, the new dems who were elected had to run as moderates- not a good sign for the progressives. Yeh, I know AOC etc, but that was a primary election and not a net increase for dems.
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Obama lost 2010 by 5 million votes,Trump lost 2018 by 10 million votes

Obama got 69 million votes in 2008,GOP got 45 million votes in 2010

Trump got 63 million votes in 2016,Dems got 60 million votes in 2018

Gop didn't come close to matching Obamas popular vote in 2010,coming up 24 million votes short of Obamas 2008 numbers.In 2018 Dems nearly matched Trumps popular vote,only 3 million less .2018 was the first and only time in US history that a mid term House vote nearly matched the current presidents popular vote.
 
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vanzandt said:
This is the exact point I have been trying to get through Tony's head. 2018 means nothing if the Dems can't produce a viable nominee.
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Anybody but Trump is a viable candidate Vanny

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President Trump and the 2020 Election

Today, President Trump's job approval is nearly identical to a week ago - today, it is a negative 40 - 54 percent approval rating. Last week, his approval rating was a negative 41 - 53 percent. Looking ahead to the 2020 presidential election, he receives similar levels of support as his approval rating against top Democratic contenders:
  • Biden beats Trump 51 - 40 percent, compared to 54 - 38 percent on August 28;
  • Sanders tops Trump 49 - 42 percent, compared to 53 - 39 percent on August 28;
  • Warren wins against Trump 49 - 41 percent, compared to 52 - 40 percent on August 28.
 
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vanzandt said:
Like Texas is gonna turn blue.
When pigs fly.
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You think these numbers will turn around Vanny?,especially with Texas becoming less white and more black and brown?


2004 Bush + 23

2006 Kay Baily Hutchinson +25

2012 Cruz + 16

2012 Romney + 16

2016 Trump + 9

2018 Cruz +2.5
 
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