Palin the Barbarian: The More She Becomes Known to Average Folk, The Worse She'll Do

In further news, Sarah Palin has said she would convene a sub-cabinet to study the problem of climate change. Palin does not believe that hydrocarbon emissions affect the climate. McCain not only believes in it but he's actively campaigning on a CO2 reduction platform.

At least we can agee that the reason we're not seeing much of Palin on her own in front of a mic and a bunch of reporters is that she is 'not quite ready for prime time'.
 
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In further news, Sarah Palin has said she would convene a sub-cabinet to study the problem of climate change. Palin does not believe that hydrocarbon emissions affect the climate. McCain not only believes in it but he's actively campaigning on a CO2 reduction platform.

At least we can agee that the reason we're not seeing much of Palin on her own in front of a mic and a bunch of reporters is that she is 'not quite ready for prime time'.

Actually, she did not say she "would convene" a sub-cabinet. She already convened it last year.

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/5879

A few points from the article:

Despite her reported questioning of the human hand behind climate change, Palin did establish a Climate Change Subcabinet last year to review potential adaptation and mitigation strategies for Alaska. "Some scientists tell us to expect more changes in the future. We must begin to prepare for those changes now," Palin said when establishing the subcabinet.

While Alaska has passed no legislation to reduce its emissions, Palin has authorized $13 million to relocate or improve erosion control for six indigenous communities in areas most vulnerable to coastal erosion caused by melting permafrost and rising sea levels. Erosion and flooding affect about 86 percent of 213 Alaska Native villages, according to a 2003 U.S. Government Accountability Office report [PDF].

Michael Black, co-chair of the subcabinet and deputy commissioner for Alaska's commerce department, said Palin's personal views have not influenced the activities of the subcabinet. "I never heard her address that issue in front of any of these gatherings," he said. "Whether [climate change] is related to carbon emissions or a natural phenomenon is less relevant than what its impacts are."

A comment on this gang rape thing that you constantly bring up. Obviously those who believe that life begins at conception, would believe that aborting the fetus in this situation would be killing the baby. Do you believe in killing babies Nik?

That said, you carry the baby to term, and then you adopt it out. Frankly, as much as most of us would not wish anyone to be in this situation (to include I'm sure Palin), this does not seem be different than the burdens many victims of crime end up bearing.

Either way, this is only one issue out of many, many issues. Right to life/choose is not my issue frankly. I'm more concerned about things like size of government, tax policy, defense policy, etc etc. Interestingly, Palin seems to be able to segregate her personal beliefs from policy that she pursues. She has not pursued her right to life beliefs, and she did take some actions environmentally as the article above indicates.

Maybe the right to choose thing is an issue with you Nik, IF you had a right to vote. Unfortunately, you do not. LOL. But you sure as hell have alot of opinions, don't you?

OldTrader
 
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Actually, she did not say she "would convene" a sub-cabinet. She already convened it last year.

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/5879

A few points from the article:



A comment on this gang rape thing that you constantly bring up. Obviously those who believe that life begins at conception, would believe that aborting the fetus in this situation would be killing the baby. Do you believe in killing babies Nik?

That said, you carry the baby to term, and then you adopt it out. Frankly, as much as most of us would not wish anyone to be in this situation (to include I'm sure Palin), this does not seem be different than the burdens many victims of crime end up bearing.



OldTrader



old man with ancient value system.

next he'll be telling everyone that masturbating is a sin.

after all, think of all the millions of "potential" babies being killed

the American Taliban. Not much differentiation from the Afghan taliban except the American Taliban have access to nuclear weapons.
 
Not trying to be evasive but Ron Paul is one great politician. I can't find anything about his anti-abortion views pertaining to rape and incest. He deftly ignores most candidate surveys.

It's also important to accurately state Sarah Palins view. She has said she would oppose abortion in the case of rape “even if it were her own daughter.” She makes no statement about YOUR daughter and she has not pursued any legislative agenda to “toughen” Alaska abortion statutes.

As far as my own views. I'm pro-life. I strongly disagree with Roe v Wade-I don't believe abortion is a constitutionally protected “right” and I do believe like most laws it should be a state issue. If New York wants it, fine. If Alabama doesn't want it, fine also.

Federal protection goes both ways. Because of Roe v Wade the Feds allow abortion in states where the majority of residents are opposed. OTH California approves of med-pot but dispensaries are frequently raided by the DEA for violation of Federal laws which are contrary to Cali law. A perfect example of why FEDERAL laws often suck. States opposing abortion are forced to facilitate it-states favoring legal pot are forced to prohibit it.

If my daughter became pregnant the decision of course would ultimately be hers. I would absolutely encourage her to have the baby and either I would take responsibility as a surrogate or we'd place the baby for adoption. I think it's doubtful that an abortion would make a victim feel better or that an abortion would erase such a horrible memory. As you know quite a few woman have birthed babies conceived during rape. Largely they describe the experience as cathartic and feel an innocent baby shouldn't be killed just because the father was a vicious criminal. While I don't favor laws forcing woman to make such a difficult yet humane choice-I applaud those who do and I like to think if tested me and my loved ones would make the difficult choice of life.
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Take it easy, Pabst. Jesus Christ man, I have posted out and out personal insults to you in the past, this was nothing in comparison.

Check your post - does it say anywhere in there that you're quoting Ron Paul? No it doesn't. Sorry, okay?

And now let's examine the response you gave. I still say it's unresponsive. You are repeatedly failing to respond to the question I am asking. The Ron Paul quote doesn't say anything about the idiotic suggestion that the earth is 6000 years old, nor does is say anything about Dr. Paul's feelings about allowing abortion in the case of gang-rape of a child. Until now I described the suggestion that Palin holds these barbaric and immeasurably cruel beliefs as 'allegation' because I had not heard any confirmation that this is true. I heard tonight that it's a fact. It is beyond belief and if she was complicit in preventing a child from aborting a gang-rape fetus, she should be locked up for 10 years less a day.

So the next time you tell me to fuck off, maybe try reading the post you're responding to and making sure that you're actually responding.

It's not like I blame you for not responding. What are you guys supposed to do, when faced with the prospect of defending the views of lunatics?

I notice you also sidestepped the question of what you would do if it was your daughter. But really, even you aren't capable of believing that a gang-raped child should be forced to carry to term a prgnancy that resulted from the rape... are you?
 
Quote from arealpissedgoy:

old man with ancient value system.

next he'll be telling everyone that masturbating is a sin.

after all, think of all the millions of "potential" babies being killed

the American Taliban. Not much differentiation from the Afghan taliban except the American Taliban have access to nuclear weapons.

As I've said before, I believe in people having a choice...but for me I believe in life.

In the case of your parents, they definitely should have aborted. They have my sympathies.

OldTrader
 
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She is a real fruitcake. I say that without qualification. She's David Koresh material.

She believes (among other wacky things):

That abortion should be strictly illegal even in cases of rape or incest.

In 'Creationism,' which espouses that the earth is only several thousand years old.

That mankind is not responsible for contributing to greenhouse warming of the earth's climate in any way, shape or form.

That G_d becomes directly involved in disputes such as oil & gas pipelines if you pray hard enough.

That Polar Bears should not be listed as endangered (she sued to try and prevent such a designation).


The Church she belongs to believes that:

Alaska will soon be a refuge for Christians in the 'End Days' of the Rapture, which will be upon us soon.

It is possible and essential to 'speak in tongues' during worship service.


Only the hardest core of the evangelicals (not even moderate or conservative religious people; only HARD CORE extremists) could possibly find this woman anything other than incredibly terrifying anywhere near the nuclear football.

No wonder they're trying to keep her from the press.

Feel free to supplement this list regarding this extremely whacked out and very frightening woman that even average Americans wouldn't want to be anywhere near the White House once they find out how screwy this broad is.


I not voting for her, but I dont see any thing really objectionable in this list.
 
Time to hunt some Dems?




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As I've said before, I believe in people having a choice...but for me I believe in life.

In the case of your parents, they definitely should have aborted. They have my sympathies.

OldTrader


Most definitley OT... Agreed as well
 
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Not trying to be evasive but Ron Paul is one great politician. I can't find anything about his anti-abortion views pertaining to rape and incest. He deftly ignores most candidate surveys.

It's also important to accurately state Sarah Palins view. She has said she would oppose abortion in the case of rape “even if it were her own daughter.” She makes no statement about YOUR daughter and she has not pursued any legislative agenda to “toughen” Alaska abortion statutes.

As far as my own views. I'm pro-life. I strongly disagree with Roe v Wade-I don't believe abortion is a constitutionally protected “right” and I do believe like most laws it should be a state issue. If New York wants it, fine. If Alabama doesn't want it, fine also.

Federal protection goes both ways. Because of Roe v Wade the Feds allow abortion in states where the majority of residents are opposed. OTH California approves of med-pot but dispensaries are frequently raided by the DEA for violation of Federal laws which are contrary to Cali law. A perfect example of why FEDERAL laws often suck. States opposing abortion are forced to facilitate it-states favoring legal pot are forced to prohibit it.

If my daughter became pregnant the decision of course would ultimately be hers. I would absolutely encourage her to have the baby and either I would take responsibility as a surrogate or we'd place the baby for adoption. I think it's doubtful that an abortion would make a victim feel better or that an abortion would erase such a horrible memory. As you know quite a few woman have birthed babies conceived during rape. Largely they describe the experience as cathartic and feel an innocent baby shouldn't be killed just because the father was a vicious criminal. While I don't favor laws forcing woman to make such a difficult yet humane choice-I applaud those who do and I like to think if tested me and my loved ones would make the difficult choice of life.

Ok, a measured response, but I will challenge you on one count. You seem to be saying that if the majority in a particular state feel that it is imomoral to abort a pregnancy induced by gang-rape, then it should be made illegal in that state to abort.

My point in this is that it shouldn't make any difference what the majority think when it comes to this issue, because of the difference between a secular society and one that isn't. You are saying that we must tell U.S. citizens who live in that state that if they want to avoid prosecution for aborting a pregnancy caused by gang-rape, they should move to another state. To me, that is an abrogation of the rights that accrue to every individual as a result of their citizenship. Someone living in Alabama is not a citizen of Alabama, is he? Nope. He's a citizen of the United States of America.

Faith-informed beliefs should not be made into law, even when the majority of a state's population hold those beliefs (what's that? How do you figure out which is which? That's what the Supreme Court is for). This is the essence of secularism and the United States is a secular society, like it or not. If you had a state where the majority favoured forcing gang-raped children to carry to term pregnancies that resulted from the rapes (as bizarre and cruel as that seems to me), and you took away those whose views were faith-informed, you would no longer have a majority. There isn't a law on the books that reflects a faith-informed majority opinion. Not one

Those who want to counsel their kids to carry to term such pregnancies can go ahead and do so. However, a faith-informed legal mandate to do so is an abrogation of a agnostic citizen's rights.

With regard to what you said about your daughter and what you would hope for her, and also what you suggested about how gang-raped women feel about their pregnancies, I will take your word for it. If my 13-year old daughter were impregnated by a rapist, I would tell her that she should abort the pregnancy the day she found out about it. It is stunning, shocking and deeply disheartening to me that anyone could feel any differently.
 
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