Open Border Democrats 2020

[Cuddles]

Well, does it not piss you the hell off that you are paying for freeloaders in our system, who leech and do not pay back? I mean, fair work begets fair wages! Sure! I am all for that! But sucking away money from the masses on the backs of the masses = theft in my head.

I guess I disagree with the premise that immigrants leech from the system without contributing. There's a lot of groups out there putting out misinformation (CIS, FAIR, and a few other offshoots with eugenics roots that try to pass off as legitimate).

Some light reading:
https://d279m997dpfwgl.cloudfront.net/wp/2016/09/0922_immigrant-economics-full-report.pdf
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/23550/the-economic-and-fiscal-consequences-of-immigration
Contributors
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine; Division of Behavioral and Social Sciences and Education; Committee on National Statistics; Panel on the Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration; Francine D. Blau and Christopher Mackie, Editors
Description
The Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration finds that the long-term impact of immigration on the wages and employment of native-born workers overall is very small, and that any negative impacts are most likely to be found for prior immigrants or native-born high school dropouts. First-generation immigrants are more costly to governments than are the native-born, but the second generation are among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S. This report concludes that immigration has an overall positive impact on long-run economic growth in the U.S.

 

[Overnight]

I guess I disagree with the premise that immigrants leech from the system without contributing. There's a lot of groups out there putting out misinformation (CIS, FAIR, and a few other offshoots with eugenics roots that try to pass off as legitimate).

Some light reading:

https://www.nap.edu/catalog/23550/the-economic-and-fiscal-consequences-of-immigration
Contributors
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine; Division of Behavioral and Social Sciences and Education; Committee on National Statistics; Panel on the Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration; Francine D. Blau and Christopher Mackie, Editors
Description
The Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration finds that the long-term impact of immigration on the wages and employment of native-born workers overall is very small, and that any negative impacts are most likely to be found for prior immigrants or native-born high school dropouts. First-generation immigrants are more costly to governments than are the native-born, but the second generation are among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S. This report concludes that immigration has an overall positive impact on long-run economic growth in the U.S.

https://d279m997dpfwgl.cloudfront.net/wp/2016/09/0922_immigrant-economics-full-report.pdf

I call bullshit on the light reading. That is not light reading, that is a year of collegiate shit. I will not be sucked into days of study by ye, before X-Mas. It is time for us to relax! Fuck it, man!

 

[Cuddles]

I call bullshit on the light reading. I will not be sucked into days of study by ye, before X-Mas. It is time for us to relax! Fuck it, man!

Added the abstract for your pleasure

 

[MoneyMatthew]

I guess I disagree with the premise that immigrants leech from the system without contributing. There's a lot of groups out there putting out misinformation (CIS, FAIR, and a few other offshoots with eugenics roots that try to pass off as legitimate).

Some light reading:
https://d279m997dpfwgl.cloudfront.net/wp/2016/09/0922_immigrant-economics-full-report.pdf
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/23550/the-economic-and-fiscal-consequences-of-immigration
Contributors
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine; Division of Behavioral and Social Sciences and Education; Committee on National Statistics; Panel on the Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration; Francine D. Blau and Christopher Mackie, Editors
Description
The Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration finds that the long-term impact of immigration on the wages and employment of native-born workers overall is very small, and that any negative impacts are most likely to be found for prior immigrants or native-born high school dropouts. First-generation immigrants are more costly to governments than are the native-born, but the second generation are among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S. This report concludes that immigration has an overall positive impact on long-run economic growth in the U.S.

Well golly gee, why don't we just Abolish ICE, not deport anyone and give every undocumented person free healthcare and college while we're at it! Sounds like you're ready to win in 2020!

Hey everyone, H4M has a plan to win! It involves justifying illegal immigrants and the laws they break (including identity theft) by any means necessary. Keep this up and Trump wins again in 2020.

Merry Ramadan and Happy Fucking Año nuevo!

 

[MoneyMatthew]

 

[Cuddles]

Well golly gee, why don't we just Abolish ICE, not deport anyone and give every undocumented person free healthcare and college while we're at it! Sounds like you're ready to win in 2020!

Hey everyone, H4M has a plan to win! It involves justifying illegal immigrants and the laws they break (including identity theft) by any means necessary. Keep this up and Trump wins again in 2020.

Merry Ramadan and Happy Fucking Año nuevo!

Or maybe I just want insured, licensed drivers, rather than me eating up the costs through rising insurance.

 

[vanzandt]

Or maybe I just want insured, licensed drivers, rather than me eating up the costs through rising insurance.

I wonder how they get insurance? Thats pretty high risk really, not knowing someone's past. I'd be willing to bet most drive uninsured.

 

[UsualName]

I wonder how they get insurance? Thats pretty high risk really, not knowing someone's past. I'd be willing to bet most drive uninsured.

You cannot drive down a highway or an interstate where I live without insurance or registration. The police now have technology that reads the plate and cross checks for insurance, registration etc.

 

[Cuddles]

I wonder how they get insurance? Thats pretty high risk really, not knowing someone's past. I'd be willing to bet most drive uninsured.

Without driver's license, I imagine most immigrants drive uninsured yes. Last few times I've tried to get a driver's license, they've asked for proof of insurance. I'd reckon the states are not dumb enough to institute driver's licenses for illegals and not require insurance.

Hell, is there even a state that issues licenses w/o presenting proof of insurance?

As to the risk....most states only require liability coverage. I don't see the risk being any higher than a "new driver" so imagine the fee is adjusted accordingly. The history would be there regardless if there was a recorded incident. It's not like the cops aren't going to stop a drunk driver or not write down a fender bender if an illegal is involved.

You cannot drive down a highway or an interstate where I live without insurance or registration. The police now have technology that reads the plate and cross checks for insurance, registration etc.

Interesting...never heard of this one....or wait is this a joke where the cop just type in the tag on their laptop? Sounded like speed cameras of some sort

 

[UsualName]

Without driver's license, I imagine most immigrants drive uninsured yes. Last few times I've tried to get a driver's license, they've asked for proof of insurance. I'd reckon the states are not dumb enough to institute driver's licenses for illegals and not require insurance.

Hell, is there even a state that issues licenses w/o presenting proof of insurance?

As to the risk....most states only require liability coverage. I don't see the risk being any higher than a "new driver" so imagine the fee is adjusted accordingly. The history would be there regardless if there was a recorded incident. It's not like the cops aren't going to stop a drunk driver or not write down a fender bender if an illegal is involved.



Interesting...never heard of this one....or wait is this a joke where the cop just type in the tag on their laptop? Sounded like speed cameras of some sort

Nope. I have law enforcement in my immediate family. The police know everything about you and your car before they pull you over just by scanning your plates.