On Professionalism...

simply disagree, has nothing to do with an employer/employee relationship. Trading is simply about generating excess returns given an assumed level of risk. And the next question is what it takes to be successful in this endeavor. Most professional outlets seem to agree that aside a specific DNA make up a rigorous formal education and the work ethics to even get into top schools provide ample proof that the person in question has the right base ingredients to learn and be trained.

Good traders will never be "well-trained employees". They will always think outside of the box, will possibly even have personality disorders, will always be highly independent and think off the beaten path.

I think you are confusing the hustling of the average Joe with someone who is talented, worked his butt up from the ground into top academic institutions, held several part-time jobs, still managed to juggle hobbies and sports engagements. We are speaking of different worlds here. Perhaps you do not know the latter, but that is how most professional and successful traders were recruited and trained. There are always exceptions to the rule and I have nothing but the utmost respect for anyone who still made it despite his/her unconventional background.


We are speaking of different worlds. You are placing a premium on something I discount. We are on the opposite side of that trade.

What I am describing isn't the average Joe. The average Joe just wants to put in time and collect a paycheck and be satisfied with living a life on the weekends.

As a rare exception on ET, our disagreement hasn't devolved into ad hominem attacks, profanity nor disrespect via dissing.

May you experience good fortune on your chosen path.
 
Quite honestly tired of threads that are meant to discuss discipline, habits, and reality of trading turn into broker bashing(?). Many of us looking at traders as a long term investment, not as a statistic.

Today most customers reach out to the brokers because they want to enter the markets. Most discussions are revolving around technology, execution, latency, software and also most are educated enough where they are aware of the challenges of trading. However, what we do face, in terms of a challenge is the leverage customers want to trade with. Some at times overleverage, and we have to explain that it will be a very short career if you build leverage on leverage (in the case of Futures or FX).

Second, the "micros" was not a contract requested by brokers, rather the CME exchange decided to launch it with ZERO (my personal opinion) research into the demographics of net-worth or income of those who requested it. I actually took the time and wrote to the CME asking why this contract should be different from any other micro out there that was launched in the past. I am also puzzled as to the size they chose because I am not sure how liquidity is built around such small notional size. Time will tell.

As far as car salesmen, the last one who told me "I need to talk to the manager" was filling up the gas in my new car before my final "Bon Voyage". My recommendation was to reread Zig Ziglar.

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given your insight from inside the industry, how do you feel about the article from the first post?
 
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given your insight from inside the industry, how do you feel about the article from the first post?

I think that many of his points were valid and also he had great intentions in helping traders. But, I can't tell you how hard it is to share real and practical experience with traders. Even the select honest ones that have the best intentions can not do it. You can't substitute real expertise.

Just as an example Cesar Rodriguez (read the gulf war section) who evaded two Migs and was able to destroy them when all odds were against him, could not explain his actions or even worse did not remember what he did during this combat. This is because real experience brings something to our body and mind that could not always translate into words.
 
of course the game is rigged, show me ANY profession that does not favor “the insiders “ our job as traders is to only play when the odds are in our favor.

ps: I guess you never bumped into a “legacy” retard
 
yes the industry is rigged like tradertrader said but beyond just being rigged it is much deeper including data vendors, software and the very regulating bodies themselves. there like sucker fish getting a free ride on others hard earned money. but if you fully understand how all this rigging takes place you can use it as a edge against the machine.
 
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