Ocho and/or Tree ----- Quick legal Question

[El OchoCinco]

Was the victim confronted with deadly force? Yes, the perpetrator was accompanied by a woman who brandished knife.

Was the victim able to retreat or was he cornered by a confronting perpetrator? That is for the jury to decide. The video is there. Let's just say you would not want to be prosecuting that case. And that is without even getting to the probability of jury nullification regardless of the facts.

If he had been armed with a firearm. He had every right to kill both of them. Not in the beginning when the woman was retreating and when the man was just verbally threatening him. But when she reappeared with a knife and he had cornered him and was manhandling him he had every reason to fear for his life and his life was in danger by anyone's standards unless they are a loon working some political agenda.

No one here is saying he is going to be convicted. I even said it is very unlikely a DA takes this case to a grand jury or a trial with the video evidence we all have seen. Now I see it was a box cutter not a kitchen knife. Just goes to show you how fucktarded the press is when making initial reports.

he would not have a right to shoot/stab her though if she was still behind the glass and not next to him or entering his space. Initally defending himself against the guy attacking him is what he most likely has a right to do under the law.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

No one here is saying he is going to be convicted. I even said it is very unlikely a DA takes this case to a grand jury or a trial with the video evidence we all have seen. Now I see it was a box cutter not a kitchen knife. Just goes to show you how fucktarded the press is when making initial reports.

he would not have a right to shoot/stab her though if she was still behind the glass and not next to him or entering his space. Initally defending himself against the guy attacking him is what he most likely has a right to do under the law.

Okay in general.

In regard to the woman with the knife though, a jury could sort that out.

In a static situation it might be true that if it was clear that if she remained standing behind the glass, but the jury is entitled to consider that he saw her and the knife and then started to be manhandled and beaten by the black dude, and was entitled to assume that since she brandished the knife and seemed to be interjected herself back into the store that she could very well have moved toward him while he was being pummeled and cornered. The victim does not have to think or act with precision or perfection when being assaulted. A person being physically assaulted while his accomplice is returning with a knife is a life threatening attack.

Anyway. I have not heard from the defendant on that. He gets to recount his state of mind. He has spoken out in general but I would have to see the point by point questioning of him.

If the guy working in the store had been black and a white guy came in with his girlfriend who brandished a knife and put the black clerk through all of that, the black would not be prosecuted. Nor should he.

 

[El OchoCinco]

Okay in general.

In regard to the woman with the knife though, a jury could sort that out.

In a static situation it might be true that if it was clear that if she remained standing behind the glass, but the jury is entitled to consider that he saw her and the knife and then started to be manhandled and beaten by the black dude, and was entitled to assume that since she brandished the knife and seemed to be interjected herself back into the store that she could very well have moved toward him while he was being pummeled and cornered. The victim does not have to think or act with precision or perfection when being assaulted. A person being physically assaulted while his accomplice is returning with a knife is a life threatening attack.

Anyway. I have not heard from the defendant on that. He gets to recount his state of mind. He has spoken out in general but I would have to see the point by point questioning of him.

If the guy working in the store had been black and a white guy came in with his girlfriend who brandished a knife and put the black clerk through all of that, the black would not be prosecuted. Nor should he.

Dont think there is any race issues here.... the knife actually helps the case. Pulling a gun might have been seen as extreme for being pushed and the guy was not trying to rob the store. Complicates the facts.

The old man grabbed a box cutter in the heat of the moment and lashed out in defense....stabbed him.....just unlucky that it happened to be in the right spot to kill him. If it was in the gut or side it woudl have stopped him but not killed him. The neck was game over. The old man was not aiming for anything but to protect himself so this case will not go anywhere. DA even dropped the bond down so he could be released. tells you a lot right there.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Dont think there is any race issues here....

Certainly is.

I repeat: If the store clerk had been black and whitey and his woman came in and rocked him around that way, there is zero chance this DA would have charged the black clerk.

You may not want that to be true. But it is.

 

[Overnight]

Lol you guys, for a refresher I looked at Vanz opening post to remind me what thread was about...

"Hey a thought crossed my mind regarding Elon and Twitter....
If Elon tries to not pay his $1B (deposit?) or whatever it was.... and Twitter sues.... can Elon's lawyers, in the discovery phase, demand to see the stuff he wanted to see regarding bots, fake accounts etc?
Seems like they could.
Thoughts?"


Gotta' love tangents!

 

[Tony Stark]

 

[El OchoCinco]

Certainly is.

I repeat: If the store clerk had been black and whitey and his woman came in and rocked him around that way, there is zero chance this DA would have charged the black clerk.

You may not want that to be true. But it is.

I think if clerk was white old man he still would not be charged based on the video.

 

[easymon1]

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What's Musk's reason to not scarf that democrat censorship troll and bot clusterfok up, tony?

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

I think if clerk was white old man he still would not be charged based on the video.

Yeh, it's nuts. The DA is/was trying to make chicken soup out of chicken shit for evidence and facts.

Eric Adams needs to team up with Marianne Williamson and get that city back together.

The mayor thinks New York gets ‘special energy’ from crystals. Is he right?

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/jun/09/crystals-eric-adams-new-york

 

[vanzandt]

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Tell that idiot @UsualName... to take this post, and shove it up his ass courtesy of VZ.

>>>> You're welcome.

What are you talking about?
You argue like a child.

I reported breaking news off the Bloomberg Wire that read Twitter lawyers said "Musk WILL pay $54/share". Emphasis being the lawyers' use of the word "will", and you go off on some immature diatribe.
Grow the fuck up dude.

edit: You just went on ignore until otherwise informed. I'm not gonna debate with a supposed grown man that argues with the intellect of a distraught, spoiled, teenage girl.